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I wonder if the city will burn itself down if the cop isn't ultimately charged. After Monday's funeral you'd think it will be quiet there until the cop gets off unscathed.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 23, 2014 -> 07:59 PM) It's about time to give Dunn's at bats to someone else I assume he hit it right into the shift. It's gonna be so nice to have a Sox team without him next year.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Aug 23, 2014 -> 05:31 AM) Remaining schedule is tough as s*** so I wouldn't be surprised. Matter a fact going back to August 7th the Sox only play 8 of 49 vs sub .500 teams...3 of those are the Rays who are just 2 under and are 11 games over since July 1st. Hell, Astros have been playing decent ball this month so they could leap frog us as well. Wouldn't shock me if this team ends up in the bottom 5 at the end of the year. I think the bullpen has been so bad and the defense so spotty the team finally has tossed in the towel. They gave .500 a run for a while but by the end of the season we won't remember that. The record is gonna be scary bad.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 23, 2014 -> 04:06 AM) It's amazing how nearly every pitcher has underachieved this year, yet Cooper receives very little criticism on here. People probably just love his radio interviews. Great point. He's immune from criticism. It's all cliche. For some reason he's regarded as a genius. He's done a great job with Webb (sarcasm) and Lindstrom (sarcasm) and Bella. I think we all knew at some point the Sox would turn to s***. The time is here. Does anybody on here think we will finish ahead of Minnie and Boston for that matter record wise?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 07:23 PM) Do you know why Leury Garcia is on the bench? Because he can play every position on the field. And they need that because your boy PAULLY is on the bench acting as a pinch hitter against lefties and occasionally catch balls at 1B. L. Garcia can't shine Paulie's shoes.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 07:41 PM) humans will be gone long before then (simple evolutionary process will take care of that), but even if we wipe ourselves out prematurely, life will go on. The Earth has been through far worse than we can throw at it. Yes I meant wiping ourselves out more than the actual disintegration of the earth.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Look at every free agent signing ever. They are overpaid virtually 100% of the time. Free agent market is the convenience store. You overpay because you need it now. His 4 year deal is not remotely the albatross that Soriano, A-Rod, Crawford, Howard, Pujols, Hamilton, and on and on edit: Bonilla I don't know what Choo is getting paid but he's another bust. Teams will never learn.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 07:13 PM) I'm taking the troll bait on this one...why on earth would you give Dunn a D? List actual reasons. Do you look at statistics or know how on base percentage works? Have you looked at how the league has produced? Do you understand what a good hitter is in today's environment? No objective person who knows anything about baseball would give Adam Dunn a D. This either means you are not objective or you know nothing about baseball, and I've seen that you have knowledge regarding the game of baseball. And, while we're at it and giving out grades, what would your grade for Paul Konerko be this season? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HIS PAST. I'm talking about this season. First on Paul Konerko I think you would agree it'd be fair to give him an incomplete with just 171 at bats. 22 RBI isn't exactly horrible, but considering his .234 average and .273 on base he probably would get a C-minus, maybe even a D. But again, I'd argue an incomplete would be more fair. He truly was just a figurehead this season. For his Sox career I'd give him an A. As far as Dunn's grade of D to D- for his Sox career... Tangibles: Well, he goes out with a whimper this year with his 412 plate appearances. He has 49 RBI and 19 HRs. Good on base percentage but batting average of .224. He for his career had the 2011 season where he hit .159. I don't even know how that's possible. His on base was bad. The second year he hit .204 with 222 strikeouts. He did go for 41 hrs and 96 RBIs and had a .333 on base. That's a weird stat line. Obviously he was productive when he hit the ball. His third year he hit .219, 34, 86 with a .320 on base. In conclusion, he drew a lot of walks, struck out a ton, had two good home run years out of four. Upon studying all the facts I would probably give him a D instead of D-. I guess a C- is possible considering modern baseball stat analysis would give him a lot of credit for all the walks and two out of four 'good' home run seasons is by definition, an average performance which lends itself more to a C-. I would stick with a high D however because of his historically bad season the first year and all the whiffs. Not to mention the fact MOST of the time he refused to go with the pitch even though he proved he could hit it out to all fields. I stick with D, but I would not freak if somebody gave him a C- I guess. To those of you who would somehow give him a B for his SOX career, I ask you, are the walks he drew truly that important that he gets a B? Are you giving him a B for the two decent-to-good home run/RBI seasons? Do all the walks he drew make him a Sox success story (especially considering he's pretty slow?). I don't know how he could get anything above a C- based on the stats.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 08:28 PM) The end of life on earth is projected to be 500 million years to 2.3 billion years from now, so there's a little bit of time left. That can change in a hurry with nukes and the like and/or the predicted economic meltdown and chaos. Or racial chaos or this new threat from the police type chaos.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) That depends entirely on what the weapon being used is. If it's just a knife, it can take several minutes. I've had to watch videos of cartel beheadings. They used a chainsaw for the guy whose answer they liked, and a knife for the one they didn't. Unbelievable. It shows what human being are capable of. When the end of the world hits it's certainly gonna be ugly. Pity to the people who have to live out the earth's final days whenever they may be. Those who say people are inherently evil have this plus the holocaust to point to as proof. Those who say people are inherently good have individual acts of kindness to point out I guess.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) I don't really care what your opinion on the whole thing is but the fact that you're still calling for cops to shoot someone in the leg or use a taser on a guy with a deadly weapon either means you're not reading the thread or that you're just ignoring facts. I read Milkman's stuff and I still think I'm right. The guy didn't have to die and I'm surprised there are not riots over that video. I agree more with what Caulfield said. Apparently questioning cops is a no-no. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) I have a very hard time accepting that the only outcome of a man walking towards two police officers armed with a steak knife is that he's shot dead. Me too. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 03:39 PM) wander/meander in the general direction of the police and menacingly go at the police are two quite different things Exactly. The guy doing the cell phone video was horrified the cops killed that guy. Cause deadly force seemed excessive. I was hoping somebody would shoot the Colorado movie theatre killer and people on here laid into me saying he deserved a fair trial, etc. Funny how no cop just happened to find an excuse to shoot that creep who'd already killed a ton of innocent people in a movie theatre and they off this wandering guy holding a knife.

I see there's talk of Romney running again. Hillary will be so happy if that happens.

There's still some support on this board for Adam Dunn as being a productive ballplayer. So let me ask you guys to grade his performance for his entire tenure as a White Sox. I would give Adam Dunn a D. I was tempted to go D-minus. So why in the heck would any team risk having him around in September if they have a chance to win anything of note?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 05:22 AM) It's funny how everyone is so angry at Dunn's $15m, but perfectly okay with Danks and his $14m as a back-end rotation option going into next year. They're both overpaid role players, except Dunn has actually been somewhat effective at his. What do u mean? People on this board despise Danks (as a pitcher, not a human being), at least the majority do.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 04:58 AM) It was a sharp knife greg. The kind that penetrates vital organs and flesh. It creates a big ouchy, the kind that a couple of band aids can't fix. I think Greg you watch one too many movies and have a very delusional view of how this all works. I know that in the movies the guy disarms the guy with a fancy set of ninja moves he learned after working out for 3 weeks to mid-80s inspirational soft rock. Or he does a fancy hip shot and shoots the bad guy in the hand, and catches the knife in midair. But its a bit harder than that in the real world. Great points. I appreciate them. But can I ask ... Did you see the cellphone video? You didn't see any point the suspect could have been tazed rather than killed? QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 05:09 AM) You just don't read anything that other people have told you and you wonder why people get upset with you around here. I read everything and you know what? Some other people agree with me. I know cause I've read their comments on twitter and some of the links on there as well. I saw the video with my own eyes and I saw several spots they could have knocked the guy down. Why real bullets?? Do you truly believe the deceased guy would have stabbed somebody had he gotten tazed? Why does it have to be death is all I'm asking?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 12:20 AM) F*** no. Curious as to why not? A beheading is so horrific. If you know you are going to die you woudn't take the cyanide and the easier route? I pray for that person daily to have the strength to accept his fate. I'm sad he has to die because of these thugs intent on beheading people. If you are especially defiant they might decide to torture you for a few days before the beheading, so it's a no win situation all the way around.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 12:30 AM) please tell me youre just trolling us now. PM me if you are and I promise not to spoil the fun youre having on this thread. Uh, now it's coming out he had no broken eye socket ... did you watch the cellphone video of the shooting of the guy with the knife in St. Louis? I can't believe the people aren't rioting over that death. If you watch the video, you tell me they couldn't have tazed the guy or shot him in the leg at the point he's wandering around in the parking lot. Was he going to fire the knife like a martial arts guy? What kind of knife was it? Please comment on the video to me and tell me that life couldn't have been spared. I'm still sticking by my opinion they didn't need to kill the unarmed Mike Brown, as well. No broken eye socket after all??? QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 02:06 AM) The release of "facts" from "witnesses" and "sources" in this case has been so ridiculous. I think we have run through every possible scenario. I'm so sick of bad reporting. You can't believe anything anymore because of twitter. Ridiculous. How bout some media members get fired over this crap reporting.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 12:29 AM) Yea I'm not really sure what they are doing with Marcus it's not ideal IMO. I don't trust their evaluation of position players. At all. Amen, brother. I kind of agree with you. I wonder if somebody decided Semien isn't all that. Buddy Bell?

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 02:41 AM) what talent does beckham have? He has one tool at the MLB level -- arm. That's it. No power, no average, no OBP, not much speed or natural baserunning ablity and not much range in the field either. I guess you could say he has soft hands but that doesn't do him much good on balls he doesn't get to. He was never that high of an upside guy in retrospect -- he was a player that matured early physically and despite all pre draft indications -- he does not have a MLB level mental makeup. He's tinkered his swing into utility infielder levels. People are saying he has talent based on what, (not saying you are) his 1st round pick status? His 200 fluke PA his rookie year? Hawk Harrelson's mancrush? Good post, but I think the reason some people believe Beckham has talent (and still might become a good hitter) is his college performance and draft status. The problem, some believe, is his horrific style of hitting -- with that terrible hitch. Sometimes it looks like he's all wrists up there; I'm surprised his wrists don't simply break in two. Can he reinvent himself? Is there talent there ready to come out with proper coaching/listening? Or is he a miserable stiff with no hope? Like the rest of you I hope he makes it big somewhere, preferably the NL.

Somebody made a good point on twitter, writing, "since was was the job description for police offer turned into a job without risk?" I personally believe this second guy in St. Louis should have been tazed instantly. Watch the cellphone video. Did they need to kill him even if he had a knife? Walk up to him and taze the s*** out of him. I mean he might throw the knife, but again, isn't the job of cop to have 'some' risk? I'm not trying to be insensitive. I don't think the cop would have gotten killed by this guy with the knife. He was kind of meandering around. Taze him! I'm still thinking the guy in Ferguson didn't need to die either. I want to hear more about the kid beating on the cop and going for the gun.

What do you do if you are the remaining journalist there waiting to die? Do you ask them to go ahead and kill you to get it over with? Or do you pray for a miracle and they release you or the U.S. troops find you? If you had access to poison would you kill yourself rather than let those bastards behead you? This story saddens me to no end. Animals over there.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 10:33 PM) I really hope they give Semien the rest of the season at 2b. While he didn't have gaudy numbers, he looked like a pro at the plate and wasn't afraid of hitting in a big situation. So many guys who come up in this organization look scared in the batters box, Marcus didn't. I think he can be a solid hitter given the opportunity. Marcus did pass the eye test cause he had a handful of huge hits. But overall, his hitting numbers sucked as I recall.

Glad he's gone obviously. He was a terrible hitter, simply awful. If he does have any hitting talent, hopefully another organization's voice will help him develop into a good hitter. Right now, his career is in serious jeopardy now that his original team has given up on him. If he somehow becomes a star, good for him. But he had to go. He was a horrific hitter as a member of the White Sox.

That's neat somebody is suggesting the A's acquire Dunn. Although I'm sure Billy Beane has assessed the situation over and over. It would be nice to know Beane's true thoughts on Dunn.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 05:56 PM) I'm going to use Greg's words from a previous thread for his quote. "I've never read something so horrible from a Sox fan." I didn't mean to offend you, I was just horrified you were quoted as saying you wanted the team to move. That was too wacky for me.