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QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 05:10 AM) I don't trust the Quintanas/Stantiagos/Humbers to grab the remaining 2 spots of a Sale/Danks/Floyd rotation. The 3 of them can compete for the 5th spot. Good post. I don't trust them either. You got big problems if those guys take up 2 rotation spots. Problem is some team probably will give Jake three years 15-20 million a year. I sure hope the Sox don't sign Guthrie or Chen. Gawd that would piss me off. They are not good pitchers just cause they beat the Sox, Kenny.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 05:04 AM) Seeing the highlights of the Tigers winning and celebrating pissed me off so much. That should have been the Sox. Couldn't beat the f***ing Royals. So many times the Tigers were begging to get buried. It wasn't their year, but Sox definitely helped make it their year. Losing 8 of 9 in the final two weeks is so sorry that it's laughable. Maybe next year.

QUOTE (Real @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 04:20 AM) what's more hilarious is some of the people here thinking this team actually had a chance in the playoffs Judging how the Sox choked in "big game after big game" down the stretch, your point is well taken. However a lot of us were counting on the fact anything can happen in the postseason: Dunn might go on a tear; Paulie's wrist might magically feel better; the starters might get on a roll. Who knew that in the last couple weeks we'd become one of the bottom feeders of all of baseball? Of course, playing like this we had no chance in the playoffs. But could Sale or Peavy have been a strong 1-2 in each playoff series?? Maybe.

QUOTE (sunofgold @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 04:15 AM) It is ovah. We can grab some bench. Fun season Just a bad ending. Let coop manage the last two. No reason to start peavy or Floyd Hopefully we get better in 2013 and beat the Tiggs and Royal flushes You got to start Peavy; he might get mad if Sox don't start him.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 04:12 AM) Just do not see it they play like s*** way too often................Sox laid down like b****es and gave division to them. I agree the Sox gave it to them, but now that they are in they figure to wake up. They got the starting pitching and the big money players to get on a roll. They got good fans as well.

This is the utter opposite of the feeling I had in 2005. As happy as I was then I am as mad/sad now. This is what it feels like to follow a team that totally collapses without a whimper. Sad.

White Sox: 6-12 vs. the Royals; 6-12 vs. the Tigers. Epic failure. Total collapse. Team should be ashamed of itself. You can change managers all you want; you can't change the White Sox performance in September. Chokers.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 03:42 AM) Det is going nowhere. Why not? They got the pitching.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 03:37 AM) <!--quoteo(post=2711531:date=Oct 1, 2012 -> 09:35 PM:name=greg775)-->QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 09:35 PM) <!--quotec-->Why? If they get eliminated early, they might have the hunger next year. The way I see it, victory formula for the Sox has to include Detroit getting fattened up this postseason. Cause Detroit had a very s***ty year and the way I see it, will play MUCH BETTER next year, 90 wins without a sweat. If they win it all now, though ... <!--quoteo(post=2711520:date=Oct 1, 2012 -> 09:27 PM:name=Quinarvy)--> QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 09:27 PM) <!--quotec--> Greg = JD Man Card = Fan Card What is the significance of the clip? I don't get it.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 03:07 PM) If your offense is scoring 4 runs or less for 13 STRAIGHT GAMES your pitchers are going to be put in enough pressure situations that they are inevitably going to fail in several of them. Pitchers don't have 0.00 ERAs. They give up runs. In order to win games, the offense has to build leads so that those runs don't decide the game. It's all mental. Tonight points out again how the team just can't play when the pressure is on. No pressure tonight, so voila ... 11 runs.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 03:33 AM) Or they might decide they like winning it all so much they want to bring in Josh Hamilton in the offseason? For me, I hope they lose every game in the postseason in pathetic fashion. They are a very unlikable team this year. Why? If they get eliminated early, they might have the hunger next year. The way I see it, victory formula for the Sox has to include Detroit getting fattened up this postseason. Cause Detroit had a very s***ty year and the way I see it, will play MUCH BETTER next year, 90 wins without a sweat. If they win it all now, though ...

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 03:14 AM) Please explain that logic. That was reserved for the Cubs with their flip flop 90 win 90 loss seasons. QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 03:18 AM) This post is f***ing insane. If Detroit wins it all, it may not have the hunger to do it again. We got to win the division and to do that, we need Detroit to underachieve again like it did this year.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 02:59 AM) I don't know who to root for in the playoffs. I am an American League fan, but I hate Texas with a passion, I always thought undue praise was given to Billy Beane while KW was ignored, so I don't really care for the A's, the Yanks are the Yanks and I have a burning seething hatred for the Texas Rangers. I know I probably should root for Detroit, but f*** the Tigers and their 2000lbs middle lineup. Maybe I'll go for the Orioles since they don't have Luke Scott anymore. I'll root for Detroit. The longer they play, the more innings for Verlander, et. all. Also the more they win, the more they might have a letdown next year. To win the division, we are going to need a replay of this year out of Detroit. No way in hell we'll win enough for a wild card so we gotta win the division. GO DETROIT!!!!

Well that's hilarious. The mental midgets pound Cleveland when it doesn't matter. This end of season crap was all mental IMO. Nice to win, 11-0, but WTF?

I've been spot on in my predictions of each of the last four series. In this one I said we'd win 2 of 3 since the series is meaningless. I'm a little iffy on that now because Detroit hasn't clinched it yet officially. So technically Sox could still be all tight and nervous at the plate again tonight since technically they are still in it. I'll stick with Sox winning 2 of 3 just because they like to mess with our minds like that. But I could see them losing tonight just to finish the choke job in style. Maybe lose tonight and win the final two.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 11:36 PM) It's probably more of a collapse brought upon the offense by the rest of the offense putting the pressure too much on themselves to fill the gaping hole left by Dunn and Konerko for large stretches of the 2nd half. AJP cooled down and probably played too much the first half (his defense until a 2-3 game stretch recently was just about atrocious), Rios couldn't carry the team all by himself, Alexei forgot how to hit with RISP and Youk was beaten down by injuries and a mystifying inability to hit against the Tigers or hit on the road, period. Beckham and Viciedo were hot and cold, hot and cold, but never consistent performers for an extended stretch. We need Dayan to put up better numbers than Crede and Uribe typically provided to be a really good team. Then you have the fact that Peavy, Sale, Quintana and a lot of the rookies in the bullpen were pushed harder than they've ever been. One thing is clear. This team was gassed and while we could have hoped with our hearts, the likelihood of a 2000 or 2008 post-season was pretty high. Still, it would have been a better reward and gotten us an extra $5-10 million in revenue, more season ticket renewals, etc. That said, it's pretty hard to make an argument that we'll be better and DET will be worse next year. That's a large part of the disappointment and frustration, knowing this was THE best opportunity until probably the 2015 season. And those pesky Royals have to start putting it together at some point, pitching-wise. Great great post. As it stands today the future looks very dim. That's as of TODAY. Things could change of course.

QUOTE (SexiAlexei @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 09:51 PM) no, here's a fact; September is Buehrle's worst month throughout his career. It's the month with his highest ERA and WHIP. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...t=p#month_extra How was he going to help this team win by posting a 4.22 ERA when we can't score runs? It's not like the guy was lights out. Maybe if we got Crede, Rowand, and Dye back too we could 2005 our way back to the playoffs? Mark is a big-game pitcher. Sox staff desperately needed somebody just like him. How can you guys disagree? Peavy mighta been that guy. He sucked when needed vs. the Tigers. KW paid for that blunder IMO.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 08:31 PM) You're right, Buehrle's always been a great second half pitcher. Oh wait, that's completely false. I try to use facts as well. Fact: Our pitchers couldn't go more than five innings for the final couple weeks of the season. Fact: Buehrle could have done so. Fact: Buehrle could have mentored our young pitchers who desperately needed help late. The fact is the Sox couldn't afford to pay another guy cause of all that money going to Rios and Dunn and Peavy. Too bad. Cause I will always believe we are in the playoffs if mark is on our team! I think the much hyped Coop did a s***ty job the last month mentoring this staff. s***ty. And bad use of pitchers as well.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 07:10 PM) I wouldnt use that word...IMO losing a 3 game lead when your team is injury riddled doesnt equal a choke. With all due respect, I don't see all the sox love of late. It's time to give them a runnerup award I guess. Thanks for trying, White Sox.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) It was not "a few dollars". It was a stupid contract. It was about paying a soft tossing lefty $18 and $19 million at ages 35 and 36. This soft tossing lefty will pitch forever (if he wants to), just like Moyer. Nobody addresses me saying he earns double salary for being a coach on the field as well. He sets a great example, working fast, moving the ball around. Many of our pitchers got torched in September.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 08:06 PM) No change necessary. This was a good team that choked like a bunch of bush leaguers, and I hate them for it. The front office put plenty of talent on the field to win the division. Good post. Sox definitely had a lot of name players having career years. So that's scary in looking ahead.

QUOTE (hawksfan61 @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 11:59 AM) I am already tired of all the whining about injuries related to this "collapse". You think every team in baseball is not dealing with injuries to key players at this point in time? Dunn is what he is, a streaky all or nothing hitter who got cold when it matters just like every other veteran on this team the last couple of weeks. I don't want to hear about Konerko's wrist or hand or whatever other excuse we are going to come up with to explain away a horrible performance by a highly paid veteran player. Second half performance this year: Konerko: 255/324/426 Dunn: 202/306/442 Dunn in September: 210/319/419 Pathetic. The thing that drove me the most insane about this whole "collapse" was the total disappearance of solid fundamental baseball by everyone on the team. Stupid errors, throwing to the wrong base, bad base running, swinging in horrible counts, pop-ups with guys on third base and less than 2 outs......these are all things that we had come to expect under Ozzie and they are big reasons why we have 3 playoff appearances in 12 years. When the year started out we WERE playing smart fundamental baseball and playing good smart defense and it was FUN to watch. To see the team disintegrate in this manner is the most disappointing end to a season in a long long time. That is not to say that this team was super talented or anything, 2003 is still the greatest miss of the KW era, but this was a golden opportunity to make the playoffs, and when you make the playoffs anything can happen....etc. If nothing else it would have been nice buzz heading into the offseason and to kick off next year. Instead we get to talk about how the team played sub 400 baseball in the last month of the season in a division that was theirs for the taking. QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 12:25 PM) I'm pissed about the way the season has ended, but I was never comfortable with the lead the Sox had. I'm not surprised that they choked or collapsed or fell apart or however you want to describe it. There was about 5 minutes when they won that make-up game against the Tigers that I almost believed and then another 2 minutes when Dunn cranked two HRs to win the game against the Royals. But for the most part I've been fearing (and expecting) what has happened. What's most frustrating is that it seems like they gave up. I know they didn't, and I know a lot of the guys are hurting and tired. But watching this team the past two weeks has been depressing. There has been so much excitement throughout the year with Dunn, Rios, and Peavy recovering; and Quintana coming out of nowhere; and Sale being the starter we thought he could be. Then it all came crashing down. The Sox have been hanging in there partially due to the fact that the Tigers have been playing bad baseball off and on all season. And when it mattered, the Sox couldn't do it and the Tigers could. Tired and hurt or not, the Sox should have had a better showing at the end. There's no fight left, and now the season will end as most people predicted with the Tigers at the top. The Sox will finish with a better record than most analysts predicted, but to me that isn't enough. If they had been chasing the Tigers all season and failed to catch them at the end it would be easier to swallow. This just stinks. Man, those were two excellent posts. Wow. I loved 'em.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 07:07 PM) That's excessive. He earned his way out of a job here, rightfully, but some of the anger being directed at him borders on absurdity. I must have missed the part where he ran over everyone's dogs. Don't worry, I'll be here to support Oz when the others bury him.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 06:10 PM) We're fortunate that Detroit was such an underachieving team this year, it made for an exciting year of baseball for me. If they had performed as they should have, we would've been looking up at them all season and they would've cruised to a division win. Fortunately we didn't make any stupid trades because of this. I like Jim Leyland a lot as a baseball guy but I don't think he's a very good manager for this Tigers team. I hope they bring him back. I love the mentality of this Sox team and I hope that it's the same in the years to come. Nice post, but I don't really understand your last sentence. What about the mentality of this team did you like? This team had a September to remember, for all the wrong reasons. Losing to KC so much is mental as well IMO.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 03:52 PM) first you say they're casual fans who don't follow the team closely, then you say they had enough information to know we didn't have the makeup for a division winner. which one is it? If all our players performed at their potential we'd have run away with this division. they did just that for quite a long stretch of time this season. Frankly, I enjoyed this season. Why? because I expected us to be in 4th place all year and we WEREN'T! I expected us to suck and have no reason to watch, but we were in the THICK of it all year! Proving people wrong left and right. So yes, we've collapsed, and it sucks, but just because the last two weeks have been awful doesn't make the last 5 months of baseball a waste. It was a good time, and a successful first go-round for Robin. I'm happy. I don't know why so many smart fans like yourself thought the team would for sure suck. I had no real expectations either way. It was obvious we had enough "name" players that if things went well, the Sox would do well. I thought we'd finish 10 or more out, but that's because of Detroit. There was a chance with a ton of name players that the team could do OK, which it did.