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QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 10, 2012 -> 07:27 PM) To who, his brother? The biggest thing with Peavy is if the insane workload this year will have a negative impact on his arm next year. I think the fact he makes a big stink whenever they try to take him out of games leads to his over-use. So when you sign Peavy, remember you are signing a guy who is still gonna be pitching in the 7th 8th inning for the most part. In those innings he may get rocked. I'd pass on Peavy and use the money to reacquire you-know-who.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2012 -> 03:40 PM) He did. The chancellor already gave him an A, and the professor who gave him a B has been expelled to Miami. Excellent. But why did you have to get involved then? He had it under control apparently.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 9, 2012 -> 03:14 PM) D = Performed at a level below his pay grade and/or fell below expectations: Humber Liriano Stewart Lillibridge Septimo Morel Fukudome I won't disagree with you, but it's kind of crazy a guy gets a D the same year he throws a perfect game.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 10, 2012 -> 04:47 PM) The other thing we have to consider is that Jake Peavy does like pitching here, and he has made a lot of money already. He had to be talked into coming to pitch for the White Sox, he has switched to/hired an agent that is very friendly with the White Sox front office, and has stated repeatedly that he loves pitching for the White Sox. I think if they are serious about keeping him, he'll be serious about staying with the Sox. I think he ends up testing free agency but ultimately leaves a lot of money on the table and returns to the Sox. No baseball player "leaves a lot of money on the table." He can be just as happy somewhere else, believe me. I doubt most baseball players would even leave $1 million on the table.Some might not let it get to that point, however. Some might sign extensions or their first big contracts quietly and not let it get to free agency.

You know what amuses me? IMO Rios and Dunn are untradeable, but as soon as Rios and Dunn become free agents, somebody will sign them to a similarly ridiculous free agent contract and probably shortly after that team will try to get rid of them. Ditto Peavy. He'll sign some ridiculous deal again and shortly after he'll be on the market. Baseball economics intrigues me. I figure in a year or two we'll be hearing how Pujols is available and the Angels are desperately trying to dump his contract.

What's with Sandusky saying he's innocent? He should be worried about making amends so God forgives him rather than denying these acts. What a f***. How bout his victims. Way to apologize to them, you f***ing prick.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 9, 2012 -> 08:04 PM) When they are a freshman in college getting a 95% in a senior level class and the instructor gives Johnny a B because he got a C on his final, you bet your ass I'm going to be defend little Johnny. No offense, but why can't he fight his own battle? Go to the chancellor if he has to. The kid doesn't need a parent stepping in. Just my opinion. I fought city hall a lot when I was in college, without help of my parents.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 9, 2012 -> 06:32 PM) I'm glad some of you guys continue to argue with GregBot. It's amusing. I am not a bot. I just refuse to bury those responsible for the best month of my sports life. It was heaven. Man, you give a guy a B and people get upset. Sound like parents who can't handle little Johnny or Jane getting a B instead of an A when a B is a good grade.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 11:02 AM) Tired of being perennial losers. I call it Cleveland Syndrome. I think you are right. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 04:08 PM) Yes, I thought that was bulls***. You cheer a big hit. You don't cheer for the guy getting knocked out from the big hit. The audio clip from one of the KC players explaining his disgust over that is a good listen. Yeah the KC offensive lineman was shaking he was so mad. He said today he realizes it wasn't 70,000 fans cheering like he initially stated, but still stands by what he said. A lot of fans called talk shows Monday and said they were pretty disgusted as people were high-fiving each other when Cassel got hurt. I'm sure a social scientist would have a lot to say about this issue.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 9, 2012 -> 08:01 AM) You've b****ed more about this year more than you've b****ed about any other year before, or so it seems. Well I'm done b****ing except in threads about Ozzie. Maybe it's the first year of post-Ozzie finally being over. Hopefully it'll be a productive offseason and maybe next year things will click better from start through finish.I wonder how soon before the Sox will start making some moves? I would think a decision on AJP is coming very soon. If we don't keep him, I'd think we could use a decent backup to go with Flowers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 9, 2012 -> 02:05 AM) I am arguing 2005 is the outlier in Ozzie's record. Why wouldn't I believe that? What else has he done? Nothing. His massive failures way outnumber his massive successes. Ventura took a team that was clearly less talented than him, and won six more games than Ozzie did, year over year. I personally thought Oz's overall body of work was pretty good with the best season '05 of course.

Just wanted to say I'm done being negative about the past season. I've said enough regarding my disappointment over what I considered a pretty s***ty collapse. The only negativity you'll be seeing from me will be my continued support of Ozzie. On to the offseason. I'm sick of fretting about the past season. It's ova and I'm done b****ing about it.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) And yet you want/wanted to give life contracts to your favorite players. GTFO That's as things stand currently in baseball. In a perfect world, there would be no huge contracts and tickets would cost half as much as they do now; ditto parking and price of a f***ing hot dog.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 01:58 PM) I say the White Sox won in 2005 in spite of Ozzie, not because of him. Prove me wrong. I really can't believe you posted that. Are you serious? QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 01:59 PM) This really wasn't a playoff team this year. It was a team that could have gotten to the playoffs, but pretty much the entire universe had the Tigers pegged as the playoff team out of the AL Central. Even with under performing what they should have done by 8-10 games, they will won the division. The people doing the predicting figured Rios, Dunn, Peavy and AJP would suck. They all had excellent years, pretty much erasing the predictions. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 04:23 PM) I'm going to keep reposting this. When I get time I'll get the records of every season. Geez I don't have a memory like some of you guys. I can't remember seasons til I look it all up. Didn't we win over .500 almost every year Oz was here? QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 05:08 PM) How about the absolutely brutal decision in Game 3 of the World Series by Ozzie to bring in the injured, rusty Dustin Hermanson to face Jason Lane instead of Jenks? Lane doubled to tie up the score in the 8th and sent the game to extras. I can't believe this post. You are bringing up something like this in a postseason we won all but one fricking game?? Do you understand how many moves Ozzie made that were excellent?? QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 08:13 PM) So Ozzie couldn't get s*** done with pretty much the same team last year and Robin actually gets absolutely no credit (hell, negative credit according to you) for motivating and getting these players to play better and back to their career norms? I gave Robin a frickin B. I can't imagine anybody giving him an A after that epic collapse. An embarrassing collapse.

This was a playoff team this year (once Dunn and Rios and AJP showed they came to play right out of the gate) and didn't even make the playoffs. Yet Robin is beloved just cause he never opened his mouth and the Sox were out of the news all year. Makes no sense to me. This year was a colossal failure led by Robin and nobody cares cept 4-5 of us on this board. Weird. (And I gave Robin a B. I don't want him fired).

Do you guys think KC fans are animals for cheering when Cassel got laid out and hurt today? KC fans caught some grief for booing Cano and his dad incessantly at the All-Star home run derby and they caught grief locally for booing Cassel mercilessly at the MLB All-Star celebrity softball game in which they also booed Bill Self out of the stadium. So are KC fans animals or supressed or ?

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 04:46 AM) Not when your SPs are cruising and their pitch counts were under control like they were. It'd take a pretty stupid manager to pull those guys. Once again was it Robins fault Dunn and PK combined for a .220 average for the final month of the season? I have no problem saying "congrats to Ozzie for winning in 05" but I won't praise him for his career here. With that pitching staff in 05 I dont care who the manager was you're gonna win with the type of seasons those guys had. It's chicken and egg. Did the pitchers perform well in part because of their supportive manager? Just as some people give Robin an A for getting an "underachieving team to earn their paychecks" why doesn't Ozzie get credit for taking the team even further in '05?? Was the team in 05 that much better on paper???

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 03:22 AM) C'mon man, was it his fault the 3-4 hitters we're hitting around .220 for the final 2 months?? (more than likely due to injury) Are failed stolen bases really his wrong doing What's the etc.? As far as the early exits go, looking at the box scores, the pitch counts, and who they are I don't think they we're bad moves at all. This isn't 05 where we had 5 horses in rotation, we had 3 first time starters, a guy coming off surgery, a wild Liriano, and Gavin Floyd. I'm just saying he doesn't deserve an A after the collapse. Nothing wrong with a B. The team should be ashamed of itself not getting an A for the manager.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 03:16 AM) This is one of your weaker arguments greg. He left the starters in? Um, there was only one game in which our starters struggled. They dominated the rest of that postseason. Pinch hitting Geoff Blum is a better argument, and even then, that's pretty weak. Come on, a lot of managers would have yanked the starters for some lefty/right late-game crap and definitely would have went with closers. I wish you guys would either give Ozzie a ton of credit or blast Robin as much as you are blasting Ozzie. Robin was in charge of a late-season collapse that frankly was an embarrassment. The team went with a whimper. So either praise Ozzie for completing the deal in 05 or blast Robin as you would have blasted Ozzie had he been this year's skipper in charge of that choke-job of the last several weeks. I'm not about to turn on the guy who actually engineered a season that ended in a parade.

It's OK that they are bringing everybody back, but tell the truth: Manto did no better than Walker and Robin did no better than Ozzie. Just new faces. And Coop is OK, he is no guru. If he was a guru, then Thornton and Myers would not have given up so many big hits. And our starters would not have fallen apart late.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 12:52 PM) It amazes me how much people will cherry pick stats to support "their guy" over "not their guy". Viciedo strikes out 118 times, walks 78 fewer times than Dunn, with a 39 point lower OBP and a 43 point lower SLG, and people want to ship Dunn out the first chance they get but will scream bloody murder if the Sox try to get good talent in return for Viciedo. And even with all those strikeouts Viciedo had, he still made enough contact to be second on the team in GIDP. If you're going to have an irrational hatred of strikeouts, then at least hate them for everybody and not just one guy. Great post, but Viciedo is young. If he hits 30 home runs a year, which he'll probably do since he tries to hit a home run every time up there, for the next 10 years, that'll be a pretty nice career of 350 homers or so by the time he's 34. He's probably going to have a very nice career. 400 homer guy?? QUOTE (JoshPR @ Oct 7, 2012 -> 08:45 PM) Paulie B- Rios A Lexi C Beckham C- Viciedo C+ AJ C+ Youk B+ Dunn B- DeAZa C+ Sale A Floyd C- Quintana C Peavy B Liriano D- Humber D- Santiago C+ Thornton D+ Jones B- Veal B Septimo D Crain C+ This is my opinion Ah, another C for Quintana. I wasn't the only one. QUOTE (forrestg @ Oct 8, 2012 -> 12:42 AM) I would give Robin an A for managing to keeping a team that not no destiny to keeping us in the long enough for us to forget how bad this team was thought to be as the season commenced. Pleasant surprises in so many performances and some bad breaks but Robin kept us in the mix almost till the end. Geez, an A for Robin? True it was his managing debut, but it's not like the guy hasn't seen baseball. He played for what, 20 seasons?? I think he's getting off easy for the late-season collapse. We better hope he doesn't manage like he did in September in April, May, June next season. I got sick of all the early hooks of pitchers and all the other tinkering he did like failed stolen base attempts, etc.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 08:44 PM) No they will not. Rice was expected to have one of their worst seasons in the school's history. The fact they beat Rita at Rita is huge. They are starting 5 sophomores. They will be fine. Wow. One of the worst seasons in school history? What happened? Is it enrollment? Is the school in trouble? On another note, does Marist annually annihilate Benet? I see they are playing on Friday and Benet has a good record. Will Benet get killed?? Or ?

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Oct 7, 2012 -> 07:06 PM) He's so full of himself. I'd only give him an A-. My grading of myself was kind of a parody. I can't be full of myself til I have the money of Ozzie.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Oct 7, 2012 -> 08:10 AM) Lol greg your love for ozzie is both admirable and hilarious Hearing you agree to someone saying coaching is overrated only adds to the hilarity I understand 05 was a huge year, but he simply does not get a life time pass for that. You eliminate that year and he is 1 game over .500 as a manager of a lot of quality teams. Pitching won the 05 title, not Ozzie. While I agree managers get too much credit and too much blame, you must realize Ozzie did something in the 05 postseason that was kind of groundbreaking. He had the balls to leave in his starting pitchers in the games; had that not worked, people would have wanted his butt run out of town. There was no mixing or matching of bulls*** lefty/righty stuff. He left our starters in the games.

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Oct 7, 2012 -> 01:43 AM) Ian Kinsler owed $75 million through 2017. He had a 95 OPS+ this year and next year he will be 31 and clearly on the downslope of his career....so I wouldn't take him on. Michael Young is 36 next year and had a 78 OPS+ this year...pass as well. Your Kinsler statement got me to wondering again ... why do owners sign these guys to ridiculous contracts when they spend the length of the entire contract trying to get rid of the same guys cause they are overpaid? My message to moronic owners: Just.Say.No.