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QUOTE (Jbabs34 @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 04:15 PM) He sounds like a guy that doesn't want to put up with Hawk's BS anymore I would agree after listening to it. Odd thing is a few years ago, remember when Stone subbed? Hawk was great with him and everybody was clamoring for a Hawk/Stone broadcast team. Then this year, Hawk was great, just great when Wimpy was around. They probably should do what the Royals do and flip/flop these guys between TV and radio. Hawk probably should have several different partners. Sounds like he gets "grumpy" when around one too often. Stone used the word grumpy which says a lot right there. Even Harry used to do TV and radio both when he was with the Sox. Hawk could use more than one partner.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 09:21 PM) Lol, Greg I enjoy your posts. Thanks. I hope tuna answers all my questions again.

Tuna, thanks for your answers. Other questions: Is it a myth that the Cell is a bad neighborhood or do gangs hang on on the periphery of the park to rob people? What about the United Center? If you are white and walk around that neighborhood are you cooked? If you are in a gang do you have to beat people and rob people to prove you are not a p****? Let's say a 12-year-old saw the gang and yelled cuss words at you all. Would you beat him or is 12 too young and you guys would just laugh? Have you ever witnessed a murder or severe beating? Let's say you were still in a gang and I was walking down the wrong street and you guys were going to beat/rob me. Let's say I knew you personally and before I got beat I said, 'Hey Tuna, stand up for me.' Would the gang then leave me alone? Finally, in your new life, do people get scared when they see your tattoo or you tell your neighbors you served time in the slammer? Do you cause fear in them or do they give you a chance? also ... Why did you go to jail? What is life like in jail? Were you ever beaten? Did anybody ever try to rape you? Is jail boring? Do you have TV in jail? Was it the greatest moment of your life when you got out of jail? Do employers hold your jail experience against you in trying to get a job? What is your profession? Thanks tuna. This stuff is so interesting.

QUOTE (flippedoutpunk @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 06:26 AM) maybe hes tired of telling Iran to stop building nukes and telling Israel to not pre-emptively strike Iran and dealing with the United Nations and he wants to just go back to chillaxing and filling out march madness brackets. I'm wondering if this gets close, what the media is going to do to make sure Obama wins. Are they gonna step up attacks on Romney's religion or ? The media hasn't had to attack too much yet, but after this debate beatdown do u all expect the media to go after Romney hard?

How the hell did Romney do it? How did he win the first debate? Even the liberal media people admitted Romney did well. A couple of them like Chris Matthews still supported Obama (how can this guy have a job, fair and balanced??) while admitting he failed big time in the debate. Matthews said something like "Obama should have mentioned this, this this about Romney and how ridiculous that is, blah blah." It's hilarious how Matthews in his post-debate coverage kept trying to blast Romney, while admitting Romney kicked Obama's butt. Matthews was furious at his idol, Obama. So how did Obama fail so badly? He's normally very charming, etc. He looked tired and frankly kind of burned out. So WTF? I personally think he's tired of defending himself which is stupid considering the media is in love with him and his rare press conferences are all lovefests. So WHAT HAPPENED? And does Romney now win?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 04:42 PM) I have to admit, this one has been a huge surprise to me. I honestly didn't even bat an eye when he went over to the Houston org, I didn't think he was a major league pitcher. He just didn't look like he had the stuff. Obviously I was way wrong on him. Kenny should be fired just for all the pitchers he's lost while the Sox GM. Gio baby!

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 04:29 AM) Have you never listened to them? It's been obvious for a long, long time that Stone has no respect for Hawk. Stone's not stupid. He knows Hawk's nothing but a muppet. You can just tell he's biting his lip every time Hawk says something ridiculous. Compound that with Hawk being flat out rude and it's easy to see why Stone's leaving. It's a shame. Stone's good and Hawk's a sham. I'd love for the Sox to do something like ESPN and HBO are doing with boxing. They have 1 pro pbp guy, 1 throwback old school pro and 1 young, new age kind of guy. I'd love to have a traditionalist accompanied by a SABR guy. It'd make for great conversation throughout the game. All of us would learn about baseball philosophy and probably come to respect the different factions of it. Is it really that bad and that obvious? I watch quite a few games and never thought it was as bad as you detail. Not saying you are wrong.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 03:34 AM) Good, Romney wins first debate. Even NBC has reluctantly conceded that point. I couldn't watch it cause of prior commitment. Why do you say Romney won? I guarantee you Wolf Blitzer won't say Romney won. And no way that guy that they spoof on Saturday Night Live with the unkept white hair on CNN will say it. I forget his name. I can't imagine any of the big named liberal announcers saying Obama lost. That's impossible. QUOTE (Nyx81 @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 03:46 AM) He looked terrible. How so?

I've been thinking more about this. I wonder if they had some sort of incident at some point? Some of you guys said one game they didn't speak the first two innings. You have to wonder if Hawk treated Stone lousy and Stone called him on it at some point.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 04:06 AM) Konerko hit 3 few years ago. Thanks for the info. Wow. I never realized Paulie popped three in one game.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 03:35 AM) 73-53 That makes me cry.

Johnson's three home run adds insult to injury on the season. I mean before tonight when's the last time a Sox slugged 3 in a game? My guess would be Albert Belle. Dick Allen? Or ? Obviously that's the kind of production we could have used during 'The Great Collapse'

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 03:31 AM) Tribune is saying he is expected to receive interest from multiple media outlets,but would need permission to bolt. He gone. Man. This sounds like a deal where Stoney just couldn't stand going to baseball games working with Hawk. He was silent quite a bit. Hawk must be really rude to his color announcers. You can't be rude to Stoney. He's pretty accomplished. So was Wimpy, but Stoney has a reputation as a good announcer and current baseball mind. Did Hawk even sign off on the season saying he enjoyed working with Stoney, etc? That's an insult if they didn't do the mutual lauding of each other crap.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 02:12 AM) No. Maybe it's time to dump them all. I'd go for Hawk and Wimpy No. 1. If that fails, yes, Hawk and Ozzie. Why not?

QUOTE (daggins @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 01:02 AM) Jeez stop with the Guthrie talk, the guy is hot garbage. I'd love to get Haren on a bounce back contract but so would 29 other teams so theres that. I am worried the Sox might sign him. I realize Guthrie is a joke. He looked like Chen vs. the Sox though. QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 02:02 AM) How long ago was he a starter? Could he be another guy that runs out of gas after throwing so many innings? How the hell could Kenny even consider paying Myers that kind of money? Keep Peavy if you are going to pay Myers 10 mill. My gosh.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 02:00 AM) Stone Pony ended the season with "the clock is ticking. You have to enjoy what you do." Interesting. What context did he say that? He's obviously quitting. He can't stand the Hawkeroo?

I hate to be one of those guys but I predited the exact 4 series correctly. Yes we won 2 of 3 in Cleveland when it didn't matter a bit. I hope next season the Sox are less predictable. I mean why the heck can't we beat the heck out of Cleveland in the Cell when it mattered? Floyd goes 7 strong innings tonight? WTF??? This team was maddening.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 11:59 PM) 1) My first move this offseason would be to sell high on Rios. You can hopefully get a quality starting pitcher in return and/or some prospects. 2) Say goodbye to Liriano, Myers, Peavy and Hudson. 3) Shock the baseball climate and sign Grienke and Hamilton. 4) Re-sign AJ and Youk to two year deals and take Floyd's 9.5 million option. (he is overdue for a good year) Our payroll will likely go up to 115-120 million with these moves, but Reiny isn't getting any younger. 2013 Starting Lineup: De Aza CF Youkilis 3B Hamilton LF Dunn DH Konerko 1B Pierzynski C Viciedo RF Ramirez SS Beckham 2B 2013 Rotation 1. Grienke R 2. Sale L 3. Danks L 4. Floyd R 5. Quintana L Obviously this is my dream scenario.... who knows what KW and Hahn have in mind. Shouldn't we stop with the Greinke scenarios since he hates Chicago and that's not an option? I'd rather hear about righties we have a shot at. I would think Guthrie would come in a heartbeat, but I'm praying we stay away from ALL ROYALS not named Gordon, Hosmer, Moustakas, Sal Perez.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 08:18 PM) Why not have some major concerts there like they do at Wrigley? You start getting people to the park who would never go for any other reason and they start noticing what a nice place it is and wouldn't scoff at going to a ballgame in the future. Great idea. Sox should do this and have the Blackhawks play their once every winter. Why not? Make it happen. QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 12:07 AM) The neighborhood it slowly getting better, but there's just way way too many "unsavory" people to completely revamp it. And even if it did turn around, the stigma will be there for a long long time. I lived 4 blocks from the park for about a year and it was perfectly fine, but west of Halsted and east of the highway = no bueno. Comparing attendance figures for the Cubs/Sox always cracks me up as that's what most sad Cubs fans resort to. My typical reply as that literally ANY baseball team in the league could have been swapped with the Cubbies and the results would have been the same. Cubs attendance is 100% neighborhood. Serious question: Do people of Bridgeport secretly fear the people from East of the stadium will come to their neighborhood and loot and pillage, etc? Just wondering.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 01:39 AM) I'd keep Floyd for next year. He's infuriating sometimes, but you know what you're getting at the end of the year. Sale FA Righty Danks Floyd Santiago Quintana goes in a package trade for a bat. Is Danks supposed to be available on opening day? Are any of you guys upset that Gio once wore a Sox uniform? He's one of the best pitchers in baseball, no?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 07:03 PM) There are plenty of things to do to get more people to Sox games. (1) Special online promotions: On , anybody who buys at least 4 tickets to a Sox game for the next homestand will receive a $5 discount on a prepaid parking pass. On , anybody who buys at least 4 tickets to a Sox game for the next homestand will receive two Buy-One-Get-One Free coupons good for any food item at a concession stand. (2) Mobile Ticket Van: On the new Sox Mobile Ticket Van (and two lovely Chevy Pride Crew Girls) will be at and anybody who buys at least 4 tickets to a Sox game for the next homestand will receive 10% off the face value ticket price (plus no Ticketmaster charges!) (3) Radio Affiliate Head-to-Head Battles: On , Sox radio affiliates in and will be selling tickets to the Sox home game on at special discounted group rates. As an added bonus, the city that sells the most tickets will receive a free hot dog at the game. Another thing that will help is to be able to have more night games on Saturday. If JR has any pull at all in negotiating the next FOX contract, he needs to push for fewer night games for FOX, because night games on FOX force the Sox to play day games. I haven't looked, but I'd guess that attendance for Saturday day games lags well behind Saturday night games. Nice suggestions! Are the Sox ticket people listening?

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 07:07 PM) More accurately, we gained a bunch of fans, and then lost them, under his watch. The Sox desperately needed to complete the deal this year to generate that playoff buzz and excitement that only the postseason can bring. A division title would have meant a real playoff series, not the one game wildcard bulls***. Jerry should be furious because that playoff buzz would have really helped this franchise regain credibility.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 07:08 PM) Horrific contracts, no. Rios is an unknown. Will he be 2012 Alex next year or will he be more like 2011? My guess is somewhere in between but closer to his 2012 numbers. So, I don't think he's grossly overpaid. Dunn...boy, I just don't know. His 41 HRs and 90+ RBIs are worth a lot, especially considering how many of those HRs came at times when they were needed. If his BA was 20 points higher (closer to his career average), his contract is fine. I think we'll see a slight improvement next year in his BA, and his power numbers will likely be steady or drop a bit. So, maybe a slight overpay. Who knows with Danks. If he returns and pitches like the John Danks we've seen before then I'm perfectly fine with his deal. If he remains injury-plagued, then it's a bad contract. Rios and Ramirez might be tradeable, but unless the Sox are rebuilding (doubtful) the Sox would need to get a nice return for either one. I don't believe anyone would come seriously knocking for Dunn. And even if some team did inquire, the Sox's demands for him would be too high. I expect all three to be part of the 2013 White Sox. Well, if Dunn and Rios are staying and Paulie is staying, the Sox might as well sign AJ and go with the core group again and do a little bit of tinkering to try and overcome the Tigers. Cause those contracts will prevent the Sox from getting real creative.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 06:56 PM) So how is the answer to "worst collapse in franchise history" not "1967"? I'm not sure what the point of your reply to me is. I agree with you that 67 was worse. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 07:01 PM) If the publicity doesn't generate sales at the turnstiles, what good is it? My point was Ozzie generated the buzz and should still be around to keep generating, but that the team of the past two years has jumped the shark. Fans have been there/done that. They don't want the product. That's why DeAza for a while was kind of a breath of fresh air. He looked like somebody we haven't seen in a while. We need somebody like Salvador Perez, somebody to shake the fans up a bit. Ozzie couldn't overcome the fact this team has bored our fans.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 07:52 PM) As far as the topic at hand goes, '67 was worse. Thing is, '67 was considered a failure throughout history and this one is being shrugged off with the Sox still being applauded since "nobody expected them to be in contention and to lose 90 games."