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So if you're the aforementioned 2013 Astros, you'd fire Jeff Luhnow and his scouting director, Mike Elias, right? You just lost 107, 111, 92 games after all. Were those guys really bad at their job? The Astros proceeded to win 311 games over 3 seasons (104 wins average). The Orioles hired that moron scouting director for some reason, proceeded to lose 108, go 25-35 (95 loss pace), 110 games...before winning 101 and 91. I don't know how baseball fans don't realize in their many years of watching the sport the timeframe in which teams are actually built. It's true of most sports. I can appreciate the emotional component of it certainly, the mlb-PTSD wrought by JR. I could appreciate the idea that Getz and co is drafting bad players and that the minor leaguers aren't developing. The only thought is the MLB team's W/L record which is short-sighted and simply a wrong mode of analysis. This is potentially an interesting debate/discussion where I'd love to be proven wrong. But, frankly, it's genuinely too early to say anything definitively. There are positive advances that many on this board harp on that fall on deaf ears. Things the White Sox did not used to do but are doing now. The sorts of thing that modern MLB teams do. I'm not sure if the fans who pay close attention to MILB think the sky is falling. I thought it was a fascinating take that "hiring a biomechanics staff was stupid". Weren't we all calling for that sort of thing in previous years? I think it's interesting that similar voices who thought Crochet/Montgomery were busts also think losing 100 games is a meaningful indicator of future success.

1969 Mets won the World Series. 2017 Astros won the World Series Orioles probably lose 100 games 4 seasons in a row if the third season isn't shortened due to COVID (60 games played, BAL was on pace to lose 95 anyway). Soon after, they won 101 and 91 games. TBD on the Rockies and Sox. Astros and Orioles seem to be the relevant point of reference. "Losing 100 games" doesn't actually matter in the long term.

sheesh, at least get in a run down, let Quero get to second.

oh look, Gilbert walks the lefty now he has to face Stanton. Davis could've done that. grand slam incoming. or a 3 run double. bad managing.

get over it. nobody is even looking at this thread. ostensibly they are watching important baseball games at this late stage in the season that might determine who enters and does not enter the postseason (like the $340mil loser mets).

hate pulling Martin in this situation

Cal Raleigh is doing some wacky things 'for a catcher', but Judge is simply better. This might be his best season. .331 average, .457 OBP. He's got nearly 200 OPS points on Cal. At least 41 OPS+ points (we'll see how the night ends).

Oh I just watched the play. Dansby caught it by third base, then fell out of play/into the net. Threw it home and would've gotten Lindor by a mile. But both baserunners were simply given the base.

double post

sorta just glancing at this play-by-play, but how does something like this even happen? how far is Dansby ranging to catch a foul ball that runners at both 2nd and third are advancing? maybe the run scores, but how does speed demon Alonso end up at third?

Martin has been on fire after a couple of jams. The one run that scored, Teel yelled at him "let it go foul" but it was probably the right play to just take the out.

sorry I couldn't watch it. but hey, we get one last futuresox game thread out of it! Thanks, BamaDoc for always posting these threads. See ya next year.

welp, didn't see that coming... imagine throwing Michael A Taylor's HR ball back onto the field. Dumb fan.

Also the next guy up, Meidroth, is 0 for his last 13 😬

They just claimed him from Miami. Benintendi and Tauch both to the IL.

yeah, but in retrospect, unless Taylor hits a double or something, I think you'll take 1 run with the bottom of this order up against an elite pitcher.

tbh that actually seems like the play with those two guys due up and K machine Michael A up. It resulted in a run and it otherwise probably would have been zero. it's not like it's .850 OPS Perdomo bunting with 0 outs.

lol are we mad about this now

Thorpe will be back, right? I'd also bet on Shane Murphy being in the rotation to start the year. Mason Adams perhaps. Maybe some more Rule 5 magic. Ky Bush? probably not. Heck, maybe it's Schultz or Smith but I wouldn't bank on it. I'd keep going with Burke. Maybe Cannon improves a lot but I think he's donezo.

There was some discussion about Michael A Taylor's wasted money so I figured I'd post this here. https://www.mlb.com/news/jose-siri-designated-for-assignment-by-mets-tyrone-taylor-activated-from-il Mets DFA'd Jose Siri who was supposed to be their answer in CF. He barely played for the Mets but when he did, he racked up -0.5 WAR and batted .063 (.262 OPS). He's paid $700k more than MAT and the worst part is they gave up an asset for him, Eric Orze, who's pitched 41.2 innings for the Rays to a 3.02 ERA. Imagine if the Mets had Orze and Vasil out of the bullpen this season, 2 players they jettisoned for nothing. They genuinely would've been better off signing Taylor. I also might take a flyer on Siri. He has had some success and historically plays some good CF defense at the very least. Though he is a kind of a douche, got benched twice in TBR, show boats, and worst of all said the little girl who accused Wander 'pedo' Franco of child abuse was "only looking for money". Maybe f*** the guy actually.

Right, I just mean in terms of what could these sort of guys realistically be traded for. I'm not sure there's much precedent for a trade in this scenario but I could be wrong. If I recall correctly, the Padres declined Martinez's (reasonable) options and Cincinnati was able to sign him for 2/26 (Martinez declined the second year and took the $21mil QO instead). I do think if the Reds traded him midseason 2024 or 2025, he might have netted more than Fedde...longer track record of being back, having success. But he's paid $21mil this year compared to Fedde's $8mil or so.

I think Davis Martin has more trade value for sure. I think the Sox should look to trade him, package him with some prospects or something for a real outfielder.

and William Bergolla and Jeral Perez. Bergolla seems like a Meidroth clone and Perez has some power. Although Perez might just be Elko because of the Ks. except he walks at a much more respectable rate and kinda sorta plays up the middle defense. Vargas is probably just as good as Tommy Edman (pretty much exact same 2025 WAR) except Vargas is 5 years younger and makes a whole lot less money. One thinks in that deal, Kopech was actually the more prized commodity. Houser also returned Ben Peoples and Ducan Davitt who are probably not MLB players but Peoples might be legit. re: Fedde and Houser, they both had long track records as not so good pitchers and MLB teams don't necessarily have short memories. I'm not sure if there's precedent for a pitcher being picked up off the waiver wire/as a cheap retread from Korea and then being traded for a presently very good player. It's sort of amazing those guys returned anything. Although Mead is just disappointing. Maybe if he actually had some power or walked even a little bit. 0 homers, 3 BB to 27 Ks as a Sock is not what you want to see but probably might have expected.

What a pathetic AB

Will Mt Carmel bully be the hero? My guess is no.