Whitewashed in '05

QUOTE(G&T @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 04:50 PM) Schilling loses no-hit bid with 2 outs in the 9th against Oakland. That sucks. Yep, I saw it. I had the feeling if anyone were to break it, it would be Stewart.

This organization loves football/baseball players.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 12:37 AM) Whose brilliant idea was this? Seriously this had to be the worst promotional night in the history of the Cell. The stuff that took place on the field was a complete joke/embarrassment. For those of you that weren't there the only way I can explain it is: people dancing dressed up as cicadas, cicada songs, cicada noises, and just stupid bulls***. I dunno if this deserves it's own thread, but with all the repetitive threads, I figure, why not? LOL!!!!

My god... I won't even say it, but our guys are going down like flies. Not that its the reason why we suck so much of course, just things keep looking worse for everyone. Maybe health really is causing these guys to perform badly, but either way it still sucks. We should really be able to see whose going to contribute in the future this season. I can hear hawk now... "we won 90 games in 06 we stuck with a lot of the same players and injuries just ruined 07."

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 10:01 PM) We're now 7.5 games out of the division lead, and after Detroit's inevitable victory, 5.5 games out of the wildcard lead with five teams to jump. If this exact scenario is unchanged in July, I expect Williams to sell off Buehrle and -- to his best efforts -- Dye. This ballclub isn't winning anything, anytime soon. Sooner Williams realizes it, the sooner he can prepare for the future. I think KW is putting up the impression he's not selling at this time. Even if he is serious, I am sure deep down inside he knows he's only got a matter of time before it's really over.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 08:41 PM) Dye isn't nothing though. This is much different than trading someone like Guerrier for Marte or Miles for Uribe. Speaking of Marte, he would be our best pitcher in the bullpen this year...yikes 1.45 ERA 18.2 innings 8 walks 19 K's 14 hits 1.18 WHIP Not that he would have those numbers with us, but his numbers surprised me when I looked at them the other day.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 08:39 PM) The only chip we have is Buerhle. Thats it. Dye???? Trading an aged, bad defensive power hitter who isnt hitting doesnt reap the large bevy of prospects. He has a decent track record for getting something for nothing.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 6, 2007 -> 08:32 PM) I wish it was more fun to watch this team. KW is a good salesman. Hopefully he can get some talent in return when he does finish his act.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 11:53 PM) Oh!!! my day is already made, I can't express my inner joy over hearing it!! The season is now saved. ^^^^ LOL, your avi brings back great memories of prancer.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 10:20 PM) 11 guys left on base How can Walker still have a job... I don't care if this is a veteran team. Sometimes a team needs a change no matter if their young or old.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:48 PM) My god, how did Juan actually hit in the 2004 season? He reminds me of our previous SS with the bat. Good in 2000 then...

Haha, thanks guys. Rock always has some nice avi's too. With that said, I vote for myself!

... I'll take any W... ugly or not. On the other hand, Garland was great. I thought we were in trouble with his laboring 1st inning. Really good work by him to settle down and work into the 9th. Can't say that enough, he really did earn that win. Nice job by the offense to put up some numbers. Go get em tomorrow Buehrle.

I can't even comprehend the words "trade Buehrle."

Everyone knew this was going to happen. KW needs to do something about this NOW. Unless he wants to just give up, he needs to get some different arms now. Mac and Aardsma are absolutely terrible. Wheres our Neshek?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 02:16 AM) If your a poster who goes by the name of "Flash Tizzle", I warn you about looking at the box score from Kevin Slowey's first major league start. All I have to say is uggggghhhhhh. Can't 2009 be here already with Johan out the door? If Liriano comes back fully recovered in 2008, I don't think we will score a run off of Minnesota pitching all year. Who did he start for?

Thanks for all the advice guys. I can't stand going to school for one major let alone two... I have a hard time letting go of computers on my initial thought. Even though sometimes I feel like just dropping everything. After I think about it then I really start thinking maybe I should change... Like I said I don't even know if journalism is right for me. I just feel that if out of all the more realistic options I have, that is the one that makes the most sense. I just don't want to look back 10 years from now and say "maybe I should've..." Not saying I wouldn't enjoy it or at least I think I would.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) Holy cow, that was ugly for Detroit. At least we gain another .5 game in the WC race. Cleveland seems to have the division locked up. If the sox get their s*** together it's going to be a dog fight for the WC... I really hope I can enjoy the run with my team in it. and it might just be me, but whenever I look at Delluci's picture I have to look twice cause I think it's Mackowiak.

My goodness...they are good...ballgame.

Wow, good game by Javy. Hopefully Owens can light it up. Good job by Jenks!

Hey guys hows Owens looking?

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 02:31 PM) A Crede trade would certainly shake things up. The way Fields has been hitting, it may be more than a lateral move. And it would send some shock waves through the clubhouse, and get Fields the needed playing time to see if he could be the young hitter the sox can build around. Fields can't do any worse than Crede is...

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 31, 2007 -> 10:40 PM) Fathom, I think that you'd agree that even if Kenny put together the PERFECT, ideal winter, the Sox still wouldn't be much better than where they are now. For example -- for me, the ideal offseason would have been dumping Podsednik for nothing and bringing in someone else on a one year deal for LF -- let's say Trot Nixon. I know you didn't like the Garcia trade a heckuva lot, and I fault Kenny Williams for his questionable 'crush' on Gavin Floyd, but in reality, one year of Gio Gonzalez throwing league average 'ball and we will, at the very least, be even in that trade. That doesn't change the fact that, at the time, it appeared Garcia would have a little more value than a B prospect (at the time, Gio) and a project pitcher in Floyd. McCarthy trade? It's tough to see this trade ending up as a loss for the Sox, although I think B-Mac will wind up being a solid #3. Cotts trade? More of the same -- I don't see how one could call that a bad move at the time the move was made or even now. Cotts was a one pitch pitcher, while Aardsma was coming off a pretty good year as a Cubs reliever. The Vasquez kid is having success at Charlotte, too, and is looking like he can eventually help a big league club, if only as a LOOGY. Sisco trade? Ehh... Everybody loved it at the time, myself included, but after watching Sisco for now (about) three months -- spring training included -- it's tough to envision Sisco ever being anything more than a mediocre LOOGY. My not-trained-to-be-a-scout eye tells me his motion is very wierd -- I don't know how to put it into baseball terms, but it looks awkward, almost 'forced' (if you know what I mean). Meanwhile, Gload, a guy who was ALWAYS underutilized and (dare I say) underappreciated by this organization, would be this team's third best hitter (world's tallest midget with this offense, I know) and would have looked good filling in for Thome when he went down and right now as our LFer. Hall signing? Don't need to talk a whole lot about him, great move, unfortunate injury. Erstad move? I'm not going to talk about this a whole lot. I'm glad that Kenny didn't throw big money at any of the other free agent CFers, but I didn't particularly like the Erstad move (in a starting role). Then again, Anderson has gone down and sucked an egg at Charlotte. I guess this goes back to one of the real fatal trades of the organization, Vazquez for Young. So basically what this comes down to is that I'm not close to calling for Kenny's head yet. He's still a top ten GM in baseball (that's off-the-cuff, but if someone challenged it, I'd be willing to put my personal list of those better/equal to him). What it comes down to is, if Kenny made all the perfect moves this winter, I still don't think we'd be in sniffing distance of Detroit or Cleveland. This year's problems are mainly here for two reasons; first, Kenny tried to have 'one more go' with this core group of players. Most of this 'core' were over the age of 30 -- and sometimes you're playing with fire there. The second lies in the lack of production from the farm system finally biting this team right in the ass. That one lies directly on Kenny's shoulders. He has called attention to it, let's see if things change. Oh, and I know a lot of people are calling for Crede to have been traded, but I'd like to see some posts from the winter calling for Crede to be traded. It's easy to say it now, after he's sucked for two months, but off the top of my head, the only person actively wanting Fields up here on April 1st was beatox -- maybe I'm wrong and missed some posts, though. I agree on a lot of what you said. Especially the farm system tidbit! This past offseason KW was forced to gamble more than he would have liked with Sisco, Danks, Pods, Aardsma, Masset, and Erstad. I honestly don't think KW just settled for Pods and Erstad, but he thought maybe if our pitchers are "healthy" again we can get away with not so great offense. Not only did most of these guys not work out very well, but we have had bad years so far with Dye, Konerko, Iguchi, Mac, and our entire bench. As far as trading Crede this past offseason I saw a few posts saying that we should have traded him the moment we couldn't reach a long term deal with him. Not that people would have wanted him to go, he had a great season. Like I said before, look what some good years from players can do for a team in 2005, now look what some bad years can make a team look like, now. KW can still fix this ball club. It won't be easy, but he's done some magic before he can do it again. He finally got burned. He made one too many gambles with not many other options. The best finger to point at right now is player development in the farm, bottom line.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 31, 2007 -> 08:13 PM) It's gotta start with one of these (I wish I knew how to link a video properly): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8BcG6SUqpU LOL, YES! YES! I mean the video ofcourse... I'm with that one guy who started a new thread everyday saying we should fire everyone in the organization.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 31, 2007 -> 08:51 PM) Worst outfield, and the worst double play combo up the middle. How does a 100 million dollar payroll team have so many holes? That's a good question fathom... a good question.