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6 of you really need to check your alliance to the Sox. Would you honestly root for Frank Thomas if he was the one to decide it we were to get into the playoffs or win the pennant? :headshake

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 04:34 PM) how is that trashing somebody. He never said Thome Sucks or anything like that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So if someone questioned the logic in your contract you wouldn't be insulted? If someone said "But the bottom line is he's (referring to you) never done anything I haven't done on the baseball field" you wouldn't be insulted?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 03:53 PM) New BA >>> Old BA it's as simple as that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's his "terminator" right eye.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 28, 2006 -> 11:15 AM) Anyone else fial to see where Frank "trashed" Thome? Seems that buzzowrd that is goign around doesn't really accurately reflect what Frank said. Frank said that he is better than Thome which may or may not be true but its not like he dogged him <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ''I'm shocked they brought in Jim Thome. He was more injured than I was last year. And they guaranteed him all that money. So I don't know where they're going with that. What's the logic behind it?" Frank is once again whining about guaranteed money, and Thome was not more injured than Frank last season.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 08:53 PM) I’m disappointed he didn’t ask him why it’s so F’ing smart to trade the most productive two way CF in the American League and two very hard to find LH pitching prospects for a $13 million 35 year old slugger who hit 7 homeruns in a season limited to 59 games due to injury, while letting go a $0.5 million 37 year old slugger who hit 12 homeruns in 34 games a injury season. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1.) Aaron Rowand wasn't that good offensively last season. 2.) The Sox aren't paying Thome $13 million a season. 3.) Why are you only looking at home runs? They both had low BA's but Thome still drew a ton of walks. 4.) Why are you comparing the injuries of a guy who has played 143+ games in each season to a guy who has played 429 games since 2001? 5.) Thome already had TJS for his elbow, and has been conditioning his back since August. Thomas is 6'5' and weighs 270+ pounds and has ankle problems. Who is more of an injury risk and how much so?

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jan 26, 2006 -> 01:56 PM) I would kill for this footage. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Around 1:08

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Jan 27, 2006 -> 01:33 AM) I just have the student loans through the school for tuition help...i think i'll end up owing around 17K when all is said and done, and i have to start making payments in November. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quit wasting your money on Blackhawk tickets! Damn, I finished college with money left in the bank. Good luck to you guys paying your bills.

Wow. I would've never guessed juggs was married and had a kid in High School. As for the topic, Juggs, what are you going to do when your daughter gets her first real job and is having a hard time addressing an issue or problem? Supposedly this girl in my high school's mother did her work, and the girl ended up being valedictorian. Her brother alway denied it, but the girl got a 17 on her ACT, and last either one year or one semester away from school. Don't let your daughter become a cheater.

I can't wait for the first Frank-BMac matchup either.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 06:59 PM) Damn...the A's have a game on April 4th, Ring ceremony day. Frank won't be getting it that day. The A's are at the Cell on May 22, 23, and 24. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is Frank going to be ready to play come 4-4-06?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) So I'm picking and choosing stats by using ERA but you are using a great stat win you bring up their respective career records? Hehe, W-L record is the absolute worst judge of a pitcher's talent. By the way, ERA+ is park adjusted. I never said that one guy was better than the other. I think they both equally suck and I don't see how it's a downgrade or an improvement for the Indians. Now, going from Millwood to Byrd IS a pretty big downgrade. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sigh..... You complete based the comparison for two pitchers on ERA and ERA+. (Pretty much the same thing) It is often said that W-L is a terrible way to judge a pitcher, however that pretty much applies on a yearly basis. 36 games under .500 doesn't say anything to you? The guy was non-tendered by the freaking Orioles back after 2003. Does that mean anything to you? The guy is a born loser, plain and simple, and even though he has a slight edge in ERA (because of Comerica, and Elarton pitching in Colorado) he allows more base runners to reach, and doesn't strikeout as many guys (something you stressed in another thread.) [rant] I'm getting so sick of seeing OPS+ and ERA+ used to compare pitchers and batters from other leagues and different year. I even saw stat-head Dayn Perry mentioning a flaw in the ERA+ system. The + crap is all based on overall numbers. The example Dayn used was with Andy P. and Roger Clemens. Sure, we all know Minute Maid Park is a great place to hit, but it's a much better place for right handers to hit because of the short porch in left. Shouldn't Andy's ERA+ be adjusted higher to account for that? Now for the OPS+ farce. Suppose a Colorado Rockies player posts a line of .400/.525/.890 at home yet has a line of .150/.200/.300 on the road. I imagine his OPS+ would be greater than 100 (above average) because he posted such incredible numbers at home, they will cover up his terrible road numbers. Would you want this player knowing that he is f***ing worthless for 81 games of the year? The numbers would say he an above average hitter at the major league level. Suppose the Rockies had a staff of Pedro Martinez, Felix Hernandez, Jake Peavy, Johan Santana, and Roy Halladay with a lineup that resembles the 2005 Royals. I'm willing to bet those group of players would stastically show that Coors Field is a pitcher park. [/rant] Jason Johnson is essentially a pitcher in the second example. In 2005 he pitched like a champ at home, but was absolutely f***ing terrible on the road, so his overall numbers turned out ok. Now in 2006 he's leaving that spacious ballpark and he's replacing a guy, who despite arm injuries and spending a few years in Colorado, had better career numbers than him. Cleveland downgraded their rotation.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 02:51 AM) Batista I agree with. However, you are big into stats, yet you somehow look over Rondell White's .313 12 53 .348/.489/.837 campaign last year? Or his career .289 average, .343/.472/.815 line? I thought White was a great pickup too, along with Castillo. I would take that out of my fulltime DH if my payroll is next to nothing anyday of the week. He should be hitting anywhere from 3-5 in the order, and any one of those makes him a very valuable player. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's known as "RonDL" for a reason. His bat may be ok, but down count on him for a full season of production. I'd rather see RonDL than Matt Lecroy.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 02:22 AM) Say what? Scott Elarton 5.10 career ERA 89 career ERA+ Jason Johnson 4.88 career ERA 91 career ERA+ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, Elarton has a lower career WHIP, an overall better W-L record (Johnson is 34 games under .500 ,) and I don't give a s*** about that + nonsense, because Jason Johnson had a great time padding his stats at home the past couple of years, whereas Elarton did a decent job of recovering from surgery especially after spending time in Colorado. Since we're going to pick and choose stats, I'll bring up the fact that Elarton has a better career K/9, K/BB, H/9, and OBP against.

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QUOTE(3E8 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 05:10 PM) When Michaels gets 500 AB's he won't produce like he has as a role player in the past but the dropoff from Crisp to Michaels will be minimal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What makes you draw this conclusion? QUOTE(3E8 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 05:10 PM) When you factor in that the comparison between Millwood + Elarton and Byrd + Johnson is a wash, I still see the Central going to us or the Indians. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No way. Jason Johnson is atrocious from the spacious Comerica park and his career numbers are s***tier than Elarton's. Byrd won't come close to pitching like Millwood did in 2005 either. Definate downgrade in my book.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 22, 2006 -> 05:30 PM) Posts will be limited to 500 words or less. Grammer, civility, clarity of thought, persuasivness, will all count, since this is about opinion, no value will be placed on if the judges agree with your opinion or not. Icons will count as 1 word, pictures 100 words. Two human judges will vote and the readers will also have a vote. Any questions? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> :headshake

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 25, 2006 -> 12:51 AM) Byrd played 92 games in CF for the Phillies in 2004 and hit .228 / .287 / .321 / .608 in 346 AB's. Meanwhile, Michaels played 44 games in CF for the Phillies in 2004 and hit .274 / .364 / .415 / .779 in 299 AB's. I'd say mentioning Byrd is a poor argument. There's a reason Larry Bowa was fired. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How about his other CF partners since 2002? (Eric Valent, Ricky Ledee, Endy Chavez, and Shane Victorino) Is that completely Bowa's fault as well?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 11:49 PM) Damn, all Philly is asking for fer Michaels is Arthur Rhodes? That's one helluva deal for Cleveland if they're able to pull in Michaels + Marte while only giving up Coco and Rhodes... As a baseball fan, I'd like to see what Michaels can do in a full season of ABs, not just as a role player. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why don't you ask Cubs fans what they thought of Todd Hollandsworth getting a full season of work in 2005 after his pretty good stint as a role player in 2004? The 30 year old Michaels is a bench player for a reason. Think of all the other center fielders the Phills have used with Michaels. Lofton, Byrd, Glanville just to name a few.

s***, I was hoping Cleveland would give up two of their bullpen arms for a 4 OF and a bullpen guy with a bum arm. It would've only helped our chances for 2006, and no, I don't give a s*** what Marte might be doing with the Indians 3 years from now.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 09:52 PM) I agree with Kalapse. An ace isn't just a #1 pitcher. An ace is a pitcher who can dominate an opposing team's lineup. Buehrle gives up way too many hits to be an ace. Aces don't need to pitch for contact. Johan Santana is an ace. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just curious; who else would you list as an ace? What's your cutoff for BAA in orfer for a pitcher to be a dominant pitcher? Would you take a pitcher who gave ups many more walks than Buehrle, but had a lower BAA?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 09:24 PM) Mark Buehrle is not an ace. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How so? I guess it's all how you define an "ace." For me it's a pitcher that would be a #1 for a majority of the teams in the MLB. IMO, Mark wouldn't be the #1 starter for the Cards, Cubs (arguable,) Astros (arguable,) Padres, Mets, Braves, Marlins, Blue Jays, Yankees (arguable,) A's (arguable,) and Twins. That's 7 no doubters and for 4 arguable cases, so I would call him an "ace" without mentioning the fact that he has thrown the most innings since 2001 except Livan Hernandez. EDIT: The Pitchers I was comparing him to were Carpenter, Prior or Zambrano, Clemens (if he comes back) or Andy P, Jake Peavy, Pedro, Smoltz, Dontrelle, Halladay, Randy Johnson, Rich Harden or Barry Zito, Johan Santana.

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