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I'll say one thing...our rotation is vastly over-rated by all of baseball right now and they proved a lot last year, but last year doesn't mean s*** this year. If I'm Kenny, I'm looking to UPGRADE the rotation if at all possible and if that means dealing a guy like Freddy and someone else for another starter than so be it.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 10:33 AM) Those are people who still think we're going to see the greatest rotation in history come around. I don't care about career averages or trends...all you have to do is watch Garcia pitch, and he's just begging to get crushed in his starts. You can't deny that teams would give up upper echelon prospects for him though, teams like the Mets, Yankees, or Cardinals.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 10:31 AM) Yet some people still think that's not enough of a return. Its not. We aren't about to trade freddy for a damn near 40 year old reliever, not unless the team is also getting something for the future. I don't care how bad Freddy has been, a guy with his repetoire, his proven track-record of success, and his ability to pitch in the post-season, will allow the Sox to get a MAJOR package as if he were available he'd be one of the premiere pitchers on the market. Mack held to a single as the ball down the line hit that stupid corner.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 10:27 AM) It's quite simple...unless these pitchers step it up, we're not going to the postseason. I'd prefer to say we aren't going anywhere in the post-season. But ya this offense can't continue to carry the team. IT needs consistent pitching, during our win streak it looked like it was coming around but than they fell back off the ledge.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 10:27 AM) Yep, this game is over. There is absolutely no way this team can come back from 2 runs down in the first inning. Its just downright impossible. We can score, problem is they'll score more.

Now we are losing by 2 cause Freddy is garbage.

Our pitching staff is so freaking over-rated right now. They've went all season without performing and therefor they dont' deserve to be mentioned amongst the league's best. Freddy has been better as of late, but he's not excatly been impressive (ERA around 5). Buehrle has been s*** as of late and a low 4's ERA is nothing to brag about. Vazquez has been horrid after a good starter while Garland has made some major progress and Count has been our ace. We have 1 good pitcher at this point and its a shock we are as close to the Tigers as we are. Just look at there rotation and how its produced mixed with a pretty impressive offense. How we are within 4.5 games is beyond me. Thankfully our offense has been ridiculous but I have no problem making a major move that deals one of our underachieving turds for a pitcher thats performing.

Good cause some of the names that have been tossed around really had us getting reamed.

Bout damn time.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 12:25 AM) I know. I was just kidding. The man is 40. I think he will have to start duct taping his knee joints together soon. But would not mind him. He can call a good game. OH, you were talking about Alomar and ya I think he'd be an upgrade and would fit in fine with the team (clubhouse wise). I was thinking that was Stewarts avg and was kind of stunned that it was that high cause before I went out of town I swore it was around .280 or so. Alomar now...Stewart in September (get his feet wet, plus a 3rd catcher gives Ozz some flexibility) and than turn things over to Stewart next year with Alomar hopefully retiring with a Sox world series ring

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 12:19 AM) So when the hell did we acquire Tim Bittner? Yet another Angels castaway. Isn't Bittner originally a Sox castaway (part of the Scho deal) and IIRC we recently picked him up as a FA. In fact I think the Angels were pretty high right after they acquired Bittner (if I'm thinking of the right guy, we send him, Scott Dunn and maybe someone else).

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 12:20 AM) he is hitting .339 Don't let that avg fool you, although Stewart has made a ton of strides as of late at the minor league level, but he's still not what you'd consider an offensive catcher nor do I think he'd hit more than .250 at the major league level (especially not right away) but he's made strides, works hard, and would be our best catcher defensively (in terms of blocking the plate and throwing runners out; AJ would be the best at working with the pitchers).

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 07:25 AM) Well, I am not certain about what these guys said, but this does seem to pretty much be the consensus opinion around the nation, among baseball fans. Apparently our feed is the one used the majority of the time on mlbn.com as well as on the extra innings package. I normally peruse the opposing team's message boards while we are playing them, and without fail, there sprouts up a thread about how horrible Hawk & the DJ are. They are often described as "the worst in the league, or if not, the second worst behind the YES network guys (especially Michael Kay). Thing is, I could give a s***. Hawk and DJ's broadcast is meant to appeal to the average White Sox fan, not some opposing team's out-of-market fans. I understand they are also on WGN, which is a national station, but Harry Caray's drunken unprofessionalism never seemed to draw the wrath and ire of the opposing fans as Hawk does. I imagine it has something to do with the recent success of the WS, as these complaints were less and less numerous a few years ago. Finally, Farmio has his silly stories he tells as well. While Hawk might be pleasuring himself during the game to the good ole' days with Yaz', Farmio never stops telling us that Brian Daubach likes strawberry ice cream, or that Jon Garland went to high school with Garrett Anderson (which is right by where he lives). The Yanks broadcasting crew is very good, in fact I'd call it top notch. I think in general opposing team fans wouldn't like hawk and DJ because they obviously favor the Sox and thats probably a problem but they are some of the best in the biz compared to some of the crap I've listened to on Xtra innings.

What a joke Bob Watson is.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 12:13 AM) I'm well aware of the scary past connection players have had to the player rep label (Shoenweiss we hardly new ye). I'm trying to think positively here guys. Chris Stewart is a decent option, but he is unfamiliar with our starters so it would be odd to call him up. Plus you don't exactly expect a rookie to come up and call a tremendous game, although is very good defensively and I think he'll be our new backup catcher at the end of the season. Also, Sandy Alomar may be waived by the Dodgers in the coming days. Thats another option and I always felt he called a decent game, but he's not much of a hitter anymore and can't throw out a runner to save his life.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 08:02 PM) Because how many times has it happened, and will these teams like the Mets give up a Mike Pelfrey for a Freddy Garcia, after they've already been burned once from a similar sort of deal before? Pelfrey and a reliever (Heilman or Sanchez) and I wouldn't take anything less. Pelfrey could help us out in the pen now if we wanted him to while being our potential 6th starter if anyone goes down while he develops into a guy that could replace another starter next year or in the following years if necessary.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 07:01 PM) Folks, Javy is going nowhere this season. Only contenders take on $12 million/yr contracts, and there ain't no contender that is trading us what we want/need. Forget about trading Javier Vazquez. We won't deal with a legit contender, but the Sox may deal with a team looking to retool for next year (kind of like the Sox were doing when we swung deals for Jose and Freddy just before the break; obviously Kenny thought the team could make the playoffs, but he also had his eye on the future). The Mets aren't that team, but I'm sure there are a few teams that may have some money to spend and would be willing to give up a player or two that aren't in there long term plans for a pitcher that could turn into a front of the rotation guy (especially with them only being on the hook for like 6.5 mill or so next year). QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:00 AM) If something like that happens, Kenny stole my idea. Trading for top notch relief help and putting McCarthy into the rotation. See, this gm stuff ain't that hard. I'd want both and that would seriously upgrade the pen, but I don't think the Mets would take that much away from there pen.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:26 AM) I might give up two in the top 15. Depends which two... Not a chance in hell, though, are they even touching Fields or Sweeney. Honestly, if we don't give up those guys the Phils aren't giving us Gordon. Thats just a part of doing business and it may very well be the reason we don't get Gordon. I could see us moving Javy or Freddy but I think we'd be getting more than just Gordon back and yes, that could even mean the return of Aaron Rowand. Just me speculating, but a straight up deal would make no sense and Kenny probably wouldn't deal Sweeney for Gordon and I have my doubts he'd give up Fields for him, but another team will give up that type of prospect for Gordon.

Ya, just have both computers set up on the wireless network. Plug the ethernet from your modem to the network plug of the wireless router and than set up the wireless network so that both your computers connect (obviously you need a wireless card in each computer). That should do the trick with the router and modem staying in the pool room.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 02:38 PM) do you think the giants would accually want that? its pretty good return but a lot of salary commitment for javy. That I have no idea, I was speaking from the Sox perspective. They could be interested if they got the right prospects back, but I am unclear as to why they would deal Schmidt when they are in the raise.

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Jul 11, 2006 -> 03:36 PM) from the updated story http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/base...l.ap/index.html does this mean ESPN is out or are there going to be double headers Sunday night? or is it going to be a Sunday afternoon game? ESPN will still have Sunday night games but apparently they may lose out on having any playoff games????

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 12:32 PM) I have a question. I've heard a lot on this board about Ryan Wagner and how great he is. Why, exactly, was he not in the Reds' bullpen? Is he still just a prospect with a high ceiling? Or was he already in the majors and fell out of favor with the management? He's lazy and will never do anything in Cinncy, a change of scenery may get him to solve his problems but he's horse s*** as of now.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 11:43 AM) ESPN is reporting that the Reds trade A. Kearns, F. Lopez, and R. Wagner to the Nationals for 5 players, including Royce Clayton, Majewski, and a few others. What in the hell are the Reds thinking? Lopez is one of the more productive SS in the National League. Giving up Lopez for all that is sheer garbage. They need relievers and Majewski will help them but it makes no sense to give up Lopez. I think you could have worked a Kearns and a spect for Majewksi (if not straight up).

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) No. It actually was the other way around. Gload went to tag up and saw Dye barreling down on him and then got off the base because other wise there was a shot that Dye would have passed him up. After the ball got caught, Dye had to hussle back to 2nd other wise he would have been doubled up and should have been doubled up because he didn't re-tag 3rd as he went back to 2nd. This is what I get for barely watching the game (family reunion so I was in and out but happened to see the replay of the play just after it happened and just assumed it was on Gload since the camera didn't show Dye come into the picture till late).

If the Giants wanted Javy and prospects I could see this move making sense because it gives us a stud pitcher for a few months while opening up a spot in the rotation for Bmac after this year.