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QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:48 PM) That's a quote from the Phillies board. *sigh* Right now I'm not against getting Rowand back since it may just mean we'd never ever ever see Mack in CF again. With Anderson there Ozzie still has it in his mind that he can play the matchups on ocassion and thats just not the right idea when you have as severe a defensive downgrade as there is between BA and Mack. And no I'm not saying I'd make that deal, but I'm making a point about how I'm not against an everyday CF if it means no more Mack in CF EVA.

It seems like the org and him had a parting of ways following him and his wife's adoption of a kid. He didn't get any congratulations or anything from the organization and the communication appeared to have been limited. Obviously the whole story isn't out there, but it sounds like a crappy job by Jays management, but I may not know the whole story. Either way they have 10 days to trade him, otherwise he'll become a free agent (since he won't be reporting to the minors).

QUOTE(dasox24 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 08:40 PM) Can an mod or admin edit "Harrel" to "Harrell" in the title here as well as in the post in the FutureSox Forum? Thanks. Fixed

I use the Amex Blue Cash card, but for credit sake I'd advise you have a credit card or two and just make sure you pay all the bills. Its very beneficial and important to have a couple different versions of credit, especially when you plan on applying for a mortgage on a house.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 01:33 PM) Am I the only one who sees the Twins picking him up.. They'd be nuts to touch him. Lecroy is awful.

They'll be able to get a whole lot for him but I don't know if I'm parting with an upper echelon prospect for a 3rd lefty reliever. I like his talent and his arm and he's been sucessful but I think the walks would drive Ozzie nuts and while Coop may be able to cut that down with his agressive throw strikes approach, we probably wouldn't reap the benefits of that right away. Plus if we are going to pick up a reliever and give up a major chip, it should be a righty.

The biggest pickup we could get are Javy and Freddy showing up. Freddy gave us a glimmer of hope by throwing harder and effectively against the Yanks for the final 3 innings and for those of you in the game thread I'm now convinced that we'll be able to get Javy turned around and that he'll have a very strong 2nd half. And no, I don't expect us to make much of a move because I honestly don't think the opportunity will be out there. If it was I'm sure Kenny would jump all over it, but I'd be really shocked if it happened.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 07:21 PM) Or let everyone know they are and start a bidding war. I think in terms of a player at the deadline thats not a bad idea, but in terms of prospects you dont' want to let it out that your prospects are readily available. You want to have that leverage by saying how much you really like that guy and try to bargain down to try and put in some fight. Than you may all along know your willing to deal em, but because of the way you put it you only have to deal one and some other guys as opposed to two of the guys you really like. I don't think Fields or Sweeney will be dealt. But if he gets the right offer I'm sure he won't hesitate (especially in Fields case...the org likes Sweeney a lot; in fact I think we value him more than a lot of orgs would).

Broadway with a decent start, but he did give up a ton of hits.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:55 PM) Is it true? I have no idea, but I think DK mentioned that myspace pulled it which makes you think it may have been a hoax.

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:50 PM) haha i mentioned it cuz chisoxfn has a sig of kenan and kel(btw i loved that show) Kel loves orange soda

QUOTE(shoota @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:44 PM) Actually it was quite witty. See, the poster was calling Detroit s***ty, because it's a f***ing s***hole. Have fun with your time off. You guys don't just get the ability to go out and attack other posters. You come in here, say you didn't see the game...than go off on Javy (which I have no problem with if you watched it and saw what happened) and than try to stirr up stuff. Thats a time out and this is a public warning to everyone else. We are following our policy seriously so if you want to trash someone do it on another site. Otherwise if you got a problem with something, shutup, put them on ignore, move on and be the better man or women.

Tigers win...Sox lost after having one rough inning. Rubber game of the series tomorrow and it'll be a huge game. You know if the Tigers go on to do big things, Monroe's grandslam could be looked at as one of the key moments of the season. if the Sox go out tomorrow and take care of business, we could make it just another hit.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:42 PM) He stinks, but he sure does get the job done most of the time. He has as many blown saves as Papelbon. Ya, he may make it ugly but I'm guessing Leyland has him because he's experienced and he won't let a blown save or some runs given up bother him. Who knows what happens if they had Zumaya in there. They must feel he's not ready to handle the possbility of blowing big time games. Dye with a nice hit...come on AJ

Haven't had a hit since the 5th...lets change that Paulie.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:39 PM) If only Todd Jones started the inning. I was hoping that lefty would walk Thome. But lets do this...never give up, this team can come back at any time.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:35 PM) Just saw a post that says Wider is playing tommorow. Oh well. Maybe we'll win the next series against them, because unless they call up their entire AAA lineup, the Sox won't beat the Tigers trotting Chris Widger out there. If Jose takes care of business it won't matter. I don't mind it cause AJ is gonna have a hell of a time off a guy like Rogers, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing some Chris Stewart up here.

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:34 PM) chisoxfn:ur sig, didnt kel die a few days ago or something? Not sure, one of the admins (probably Greasy) put it in there as some srot of prank. they like to mess with my sigs and avies from time to time for some reason.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:31 PM) He cares too much, Jas. He gets too down on himself when he makes one bad pitch(in this case the pudge rolling curve is what got it going) and that just leads to a big inning. It's happened a ton this season. I'm totally with you and I kind of briefly mentioned what it does to him mechanically. But I really think with proper coaching and some pointers (maybe get him to step off the mound and go through a set mental routine when he gets into these type of ruts...that remind him what to do mechanically and just get him to overal calm down and regain his composure) he'll be able to get past it. But Its easier to fix a guy that cares too much than a guy that doesn't care at all. Just like its easier to fix a guy with great stuff than a guy with no stuff. Javy has both and after slamming him a whole lot I'm starting to get really confident about him.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:27 PM) s***ting yourself at the hint of a pressure situation doesn't bode well for the playoffs... s***ting no...his approach has to be fixed and I'm not saying its fixable but he gets mad and he overthrows. That tells me he cares and if Coop can get him to manage his feelings, take some breaths, relax and gather himself mechanically we'll see him start pitching through those type of jams. I'd be more scared if he just stopped caring and gave up as opposed to overthrowing because he's mad about the hits that he gave up.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:26 PM) Iguchi's not playing today. The Sox seem concerned that his ankle hasn't healed quickly from his collision over two weeks ago. Apparently there is still some lingering soreness. Might as well be careful. I'm not a major fan of Cintron's approach at the plate (its pretty Uribe-esque yet he doesn't have near Uribe's raw talent) but he's had some big hits on the year.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:25 PM) Ok kid, spill the beans. Fess up there Jason. I don't think we are going to get an offer, but there is a lot of truth to the rumors with the Mets. I think Kenny hopes the Mets have some troubles out of the rotation and Freddy has a decent start and you'll see em panic. Overall I don't think anything is made, but unless this one start really changes the minds of the Sox, they aren't about to deal Vazquez (unless they get blown away).

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:24 PM) Javy doesn't know how to step it up under tight situations. I don't care if his stuff is 'good' or not. He cant cut the mustard. Get him out of here now. I really don't think thats it. I used to think it was the case but I saw enough reaction out of him to show that he does care. I have called the guy a "sissy" quite often and have went with the idea that he's scared on the mound at times. But really what he does is he gets overly eager and tries to over-throw. This works badly because he doesn't have the leg kick so his arm gets out of whack with his body and resulting to hanging the ball. Plus when he's overthrowing a breaking ball as is (even when he has his high leg kick which naturally keeps his arm more in check) he's going to roll it over because when you throw it too good (as Hersh mentioned on the telecast) you end up getting it to hang cause the ball doesn't get the desired spin.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:23 PM) I really don't think Javy is going anywhere either but I've definitely read different. We'll see, all I know is I want Brandon in the rotation one way or another. I've also read about Jon Garland going to the Mets. You got to be careful and filter through some stuff. Kenny isn't stupid and he's not about to admit a mistake by moving Javy. I know from what I heard they were really optimistic around the break about Javy coming out and really having a big 2nd half. I think Coop feels he's about to turn the corner and develop into the guy he was in Montreal.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 06:20 PM) Well Jason if we step back and take the emotion out of it, you are right, he pitched 5 good innings. Personally I expect a little more than that, I would like to see seven good innings. I agree with you 100% that his success or failure will go a long way in determining how the White Sox do and where they end up. But I think they are at their wits end with these horrible pitches at exactly the wrong time. It is the antithesis of what winning teams do. If you can't redouble your focus at a key time like that, there's a problem. Maybe Guillen needs a shorter leash on this guy, I don't know. Earlier this year Ozzie shortened the leash on Jon and recently he seems to be getting readjusted to letting Jon going a little longer once again. Maybe thats necessary for Javy. Honestly I think its just a matter of him being willing to work with Coop and get that kick down. He struggles massively once runners gets on and I really think its due to the leg kick and how it leads to him flattening up his breaking pitches. I've also noticed when he's pitching with runners on he really seems to go away from the fastball and gets overly predicatable. Ya, its definately frustrating, but in the big picture its just another reason why I really do think the Sox feel they are that much closer. You could even see Javy out there slowly adjusting his delivery with runners on so I do think he finally gets it and realizes he needs to make the adjustments to get back to what he once was. Javy isn't going to be going anywhere and since Freddy hasn't shown us any reason to be optimistic (unless he starts throwing like he did the final couple innings against the Yanks) we are gonna need a guy like Javy to pitch strong cause if we make the post-season he'll probably be one of the 4 guys toeing the rubber.