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I went with Gonzo. Liotta and Haigwood would get honorable mention from me. Its just amazing how the Sox pitching prospects are throwing the ball. I absolutely love it.

Thats right, Haeger has been kicking butt for em. Bakker will likely get demoted with Gio coming up and then of course you have Whisler maybe making his next start. Along with that there is Fraser Dizard who may be inserted into the rotation.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:52 PM) Don't really see how that's a fair comparison. The game is over at that point in basketball. In baseball it makes a difference, usually. Really then...what should be called? Should guys be able to jump in front of anything, all the time, and it never gets called? Because the Crede lean was as blatant as i think it can possibly get. When the pitch is thrown at you and that pitch was way way way inside, then it doens't matter. If Crede went out of his way to get hit, thats another story. Its just a call that isn't made.

QUOTE(JimH @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:49 PM) Total inconsistency. When was the last time any of us saw that call made? DJ said Fernando Vina got away with way worse all the time, and he's right. Crede did stick his elbow out but the pitch was well into the right handed batters box. It was obviously a judgement call, and I wonder why in that situation Wendelstedt chose to make it. I also why he chose to throw out Crede for flinging his bat, how many players do that? A lot. Wendelstedt knows damn well the Sox are playing short handed and IMO he goes on a power trip. He's the home plate umpire, he is entitled to make those calls no question. But there were too many screw ups in this series. The call at 1st base today (Podsednik being, ahem, doubled up in the 3rd inning or so) ... that call was blatantly bad. The call at home plate last nite ... Froemming didn't put himself into position to see the play. Sox didn't execute and that's why they lost. The umpiring certainly was error prone though, and in a close game it tends to affect the outcome. And it did. Moving on to the Detroit series. In the Crede situation he dropped a F bomb and looked back at the ump. I will say this though, in those istuations guys get pissed when they miss pitches and get out. Crede was pissed, but even more pissed at the call. He was obviously on a shorter leash than most and it was crappy. Hell why wasn't a warning ever given to Oakland during the series? I'd really like to know considering all the Sox that were hit. I mean the offices at MLB phone the Sox yet don't tell the umps to tell Oakland's pitchers or give htem a warning (not that I think they were throwing at the Sox). I just think it should go both ways. On a sidenote, I freaking hate it. Baseball is about protecting your players. I was always taught if they are targeting your team you give them the chin music, you knock them on the ass (you don't try to hurt them or throw at there head). But you say hey, this is my team and were gonna back them. Baseball and the comissioners office is trying to take this away and they havebeen for a while, its bull. I want pitchers throwing inside and who gives a s*** if they drill a guy every once in a while, its part of the game. If the other team thinks its intentional then there pitcher will hit one of your guys and it evens out.

I have to disagree with this. This is one of those issues where it may be in the rule book, but it isn't called. Its kind of like a game ending in an NBA game with a carryover with like half a second left. (not a blatant carry over, just a carryover). It doesn't happen and shouldn't happen. The rules may not have been adjusted but it isn't called. Its only called when its in the strike zone. But still, its not what cost the Sox the game.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:44 PM) Looked down the middle to me. We were all surprised in the chat room. I never saw a replay. The pitch looked on the outside corner to me, but from the camera angle I saw you really didn't get a good view of the plate. All I could say was the pitcher hit Kendalls mit, although that camera angle made it darn near impossible to see the plate because of the dirt (that and I was watching it online).

Also just to add another point in this thread...un official related. The Sox needed to impliment some hit and runs when things weren't going right. Teams all around baseball (minus the Angels) don't use the hit and run enough. Its a great thing, put your runners in motion, and have a righty or lefty pull it to where the 2nd baseman usually plays. It works beautifully especially when an offense is struggling, like the Sox were (and hitting into so many double plays). When things aren't going right, its not necessarily a bad idea to force the envelope when all you need is maybe 1 more run. Plus you have Kendall behind the plate who is about as bad as it gets in terms of having an accurate arm. He's no Mike Piazza, but he's similar to Pyrz (whom I love) but would try and run on all the time considering the Sox have a few guys on this staff that couldn't hold on runners if there life depended on it. Aside from that I'm happy they had a winning road trip and get to come back home, hopefully the off day gets the banged up players ready (but I have my doubts).

QUOTE(AbeFroman @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) Haha... nice catch. You are a well-versed Ferris Bueller fan for sure... Anyway, I'm a lifetime sox fan who just discovered this site in the pre-season this year. I haven't posted anything really yet. I'd prefer to tread lightly, only making a few points here or there where appropriate. Many of you seem to know each other. Anyway, I visit frequently and appreciate your insight. I may add a comment here or there... Go Sox Welcome aboard

Alright ESPN 1000 on. New question, how long after the game does the press conference usually start, or have I already missed it?

QUOTE(whitesox91403 @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:34 PM) Excellent road trips guys. Come home, get healthy and beat Detroit. What is the status on Iguchi, Uribe, and Ozuna I've been gone all day. I can't see how they would be able to play on Friday considering they were so banged up that they couldn't play in a super bind today.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:34 PM) Yes, the umpires have sucked the last two games. However, I don't want to see the Sox start acting like the Cubs when it comes to umpires. Right now, I don't like Hawk blaming the umpires for blowing the last two games. There were dozens and dozens of plays that helped determine the outcome of both games that had nothing to do with the umpires. I just want to see our guys keep their composure when the situation becomes heated. Crede got screwed, but he had to know to keep his mouth quiet because of our lack of depth right now. I'm dissapointed in Hawk too. I mean you have to point out the bad calls, but also go on to say that the Sox did plenty of things (which they could control) that cost them the game. From the defense, to the lack of executing and getting the job done with runners in scoring positon. You can only handle what you ahve control over and the Sox did a poor job of that. Bad calls happen and in this case I don't argue, they were terrible calls, but at teh same time the team didn't do what it could and for that its their own damn fault. They need to learn from this, get back to Chicago, and make some improvements realizing they are still the best team in baseball (record wise).

QUOTE(valponick @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:26 PM) I'm not sure what the history between them is but I'm just glad we are leaving Oakland, things just always seem to go wrong there. As for the Umps, I agree they didn't cost us the game but I don't think its right to take the game out of the players hands. The game is played between the lines not outside of them. Remember the game where with the bases loaded early against Mulder it looked like Buehrle was going to get out of the jam on a routine pop up to 2nd and the ball got dropped scoring pretty much everyone. Bad things happen in Oakland. I just hope the Sox leave that in Oakland and get back to playing fundementally sound baseball. Because up until Monday (minus that one game against Cleveland) I could safely say aside from their offensive woes (hitting for avg) that they were playing very fundemental baseball. They were pitching, playing defense (very few errors) and while the average wasn't there, they were getting guys in with less than 2 outs and runners on.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:26 PM) He's the guy Oz said wasn't a pimple on his fathers ass, which got him suspended. Then gun decked his report to the league so Ozzie called him a liar and got suspended again. Was this the one who was umping in the Cleveland series where Ozzie made that bullpen call and he called in the wrong guy? And then If I recall a fwe other things happened that series? I just remember something happened and the two had a war of words. Its kind of odd because Ozzie tends to be pretty laid back in terms of arguing with the umps. Usually he just runs out and has a short talk with them, not today though.

QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) I dont think you can get Sox broadcasts on Espn 1000 Online I figure you can get the postgame show. I clicked on Game Night and am getting the ESPN update, so maybe thats the link you should click? Of course this is probably the national feed.

Anyone know which show or link I sould click on cause I just get dead air on am1000 thus far.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) In a way this loss isn't that bad for the future because we had so many shortcomings last night that today we can make the umps the complete scapegoats. That might actually help the club move on and get over this series. At least until we see members of that crew again. They better look at the film though and note how they are all trying to swing for the fences instead of go with what the pitcher gives them. Still, the Sox got the best record in baseball and have led in every game. Funny thing is even when the team has played awful they have been right in the games. I'm going to be an optimist, hell, I thought Harden would shut em down yesterday and while I thought the Sox should win today that was before I knew Widge/Crede would be at 3rd and SS respectively.

QUOTE(quade36 @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) Can we contact MLB in any way to complain about this game???? I don't think there are any grounds for an appeal, but regardless I'm guessing they could send a letter or make a call to the MLB offices to have whoever needs to look at the film and take note of the multiple of missed calls.

QUOTE(quickman @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) www.am1000.com Thank you Quick:)

Is there a place where I can listen to the after the game press conference? I'm bored as hell at work and am curious as to what Ozzie says. I hope he also mentions how the team FAILED to execute, along with the fact that umps made some poor calls. I'm also curious as to what they do because if Ozuna/Uribe aren't able to start, then someone needs to be on the DL (preferably Ozuna). I'd probably call up Andy Gonzalez of all people.

Thats the ball game.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) Crede definitely dropped his elbow into the pitch. In the spirit of the rule, the umpire probably was correct, but that is never called, especially 2 feet in the box. Ozzie got run because he started talking to Wendelstedt like he was Magglio, I could hear it on the Comcast. The thing I don't understand is Wendlestedt then can say whatever he wants to Ozzie after tossing him. Its BS. Crede got run because when he popped up he turned and said the magic words. Not smart. You have to know Wendelstedt is going to do everything within his power to show Ozzie who has the upper hand. Ya, Ozzie and Crede both dropped some obscinities.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) You know what sucks. If we lose this game, everyone will blame it solely on the umpires, and nothing else. Instead of neglecting the awful offensive execution we've had, I bet Ozzie will make it sound like we would have won 10-1 if not for Hunter and crew. I've pointed out...that the umps have sucked ass and effected this game, but aside from that it should of never gotten to that point (in either game). The Sox should of won both games and failed to execute and do the little things. Its there own damn fault, still MLB should take some action with this crew. Blown calls are understandable, but this has been more than just a few blown calls (I understand umps are human).

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Apr 27, 2005 -> 02:12 PM) We do taht and we have some serious problems. Might want to reconsider, no matter how mad you are. It doesn't matter with this crew, its a repeated occurence. They blow...MLB better get a memo or something. If I'm the Sox I'd b**** and moan to MLB because something should be done. Its obvious they have really blown this game. There was that call on 1st earlier today and a few calls yesterday asides from this ridiculous bulls*** call last inning. Sox should still have won this game aside from the umps (actually both games) but still umps aren't supposed to be a factor in the final outcome. Iu nderstand mistakes, but this is just ridiculous. I should add,I was merely joking...although I think they deserve to be fined or suspended for calling the game the way they have. Umps can make errors, but this is just ridiculous.

Man, the one guy actually playing his position makes the error. Its odd cause he's so damn good defensively. Hermy..lets turn two..Dye to Willie, LOL. I can't help but laugh despite being absolutely pissed at this crew.

f***...Aaron loses it in the sun. :shakeshead