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Everyone saying this team is a shitshow is wrong. This defense no-showed on Sunday night, but it is not a bad defense. They have good CB's (Fuller & Johnson) and while Eddie Jackson has been a shell of his past self, I am not going to write him off after one down year after a number of electric years (last year wasn't as good either - so there is definitely a trend) and the LB corps is still solid (Danny T is a liability in pass coverage - but almost every team has aspects of that) and the dline is solid and will be better next year with Goldman back. Mack hasn't gotten the production he should, but he is still an above average dlineman and Quinn has been off all year - but that started with him being injured to start, etc, so maybe this is one of those scenarios where a year back is a difference. They have some age issues but I could also see the defense taking a step forward (vs. back) in a year, both due to Goldman coming back (huge to have that run stuffer in the middle) combined with a more aggressive scheme that maybe maximizes the ability for Jackson/Fuller to be in more positions to make game changing plays (plus Roquan who has been a stud all year - although he has had some bouts with poor tackles). The offense - that is a shitshow - no denying that. Period.

I tend to go down this line of thought, but if the Bulls like their internal scouting on Lauri, that is another story. I also presume if he's pressuring he's agent to get a deal done we are talking about something obviously less than max...so I was more putting that book end out there. I'm risk adverse and Lauri seems like a family guy, so maybe he looks at it as, I want a 3-5 year deal with some solid guarantee money - the type of contract that will set me for life (regardless of whether I get injured or not). I could see him as the type who prefers security over risking it another year. I think if I were in his shoes and I could get a reasonable LT contract that positioned me well for life while giving me an opportunity for a potential massive payday if I hit (or worse case another good long-term deal if I'm good)...than that can be hard to pass up on.

It is an interesting dilemma. If you think Lauri is a good player with upside to be an above average player, signing him to a 5yr 80M deal (which I think is his max) probably isn't the end of the world given the various contracts being handed out. That is still probably a moveable deal and if he improves its a nice deal / solid piece to have. It is kind of like Lavine - that Lavine contract is a steal at the moment, nowhere near an overpay and you can clearly move him if you needed to for other assets (depending on the Bulls plans). Now Lauri could totally suck or get hurt and than you don't have a moveable deal, but I don't see his stretch ability dissipating. And I'm not saying he should get 5/80 either, more stating what I thought I read somewhere was the upper limits to his deal.

And I get it - the league came down hard and the Ravens came down hard on their strength & conditioning coach too. And I understand why the league is coming down hard on teams who aren't complying - you need to send a message because it is key to keeping players safe and keeping the doors open and allowing the sport to be played.

Yeah - but at that point, what is so different between them and the Ravens?

None of these posts are helpful. There is already one big TLR page. If people want to vent on TLR - you got a place for it. If you want to sing his praises - you have a spot for it. If there is actual new news - okay - we can have a new thread.

I concur.

Can someone explain to me how the NFL lets that Broncos game go on. Was it purely them looking at things saying Broncos aren't a playoff team and Saints are a lock so lets just move this along? If so - it feels like a really slippery slope relative to all the other cancellations that have happened. I mean if you are a contender for the #1 seed in the NFC you have to be pretty irate about this.

I agree with you - it is pretty apparent there are broader issues and Pace should be shown the door. His misuse of draft capital and salary cap space has been poor and he's had a lot of bad signings. He's had some good ones too, like really good ones like Hicks....but has missed on some high profile picks and while he's done good later in the draft, his misses are just big. He's a likeable guy and actually done some behind the scenes stuff that makes this franchise better for the long haul...but I don't know that you can stick with him another year. With Nagy - I've been on the bandwagon to move away from him, mainly because he clearly isn't the offensive genius everyone thought he was when they hired him, but he also has been saddled with some poor parts and I have no idea how much that is on himself for scounting the wrong guys or on Pace. What I really don't know is did both sides just completely whiff on the offense the past number of years or was one side being too heavily influenced by the other (i.e., Pace bought what Nagy was selling and figured they could do it or was Nagy more of a I'll be rah rah about whomever you give me, you just give me some of these pieces, but deep down he was like, oh boy, Montgomery isn't good or Anthony Miller has big time issues, etc). It is probably both. It just sucks to be in a spot where you are hitting the reset button again. You look at Rodgers and people say well look at how he reads x, y and z, well in many cases that is because he's ran similar systems for 10+ years and has seen everything and the kitchen sink thrown at him.

Not sacrilege. I have been ripping on Mack for 1.5 seasons at this point. If I could trade him for anything close to the package they gave up, I would do it.

I have never seen a more futile 3rd quarter team - like ever. And you are right - take away the 4th quarter and this has to be like the worst offense in NFL history through 3 quarters (if you just prorated those 3 quarters into a full game.

I tend to agree with you - I thin continuity is a big thing. It will be interesting to see how they finish. They have a chance to practically win out....don't think they will...but they have a chance. They could also lose to a Lions team that I'm sure will be energized just by not having Patricia as HC and at that point...it could get really ugly really fast. Nagy is not a bad head coach - the problem is - he gets in his own way, imo. Pace has responsibility too and I don't see why you give everyone another chance. And I don't want to draft a QB who is going to be drafted with one regime only to have another regime come in and blow it up. My guess is Pace ends up sticking around and chooses another head coach (if things end bad). I still think > 50% chance that Bears finish the year .500 or better and that gets them all another year. But WTF do they do at QB? Foles obviously is not a starter....Mitch is going elsewhere....and you have no cap space. They will be coaching / GMing for their livelihood so I don't see someone making the right LT moves in that situation.

Hard to ball hawk when you literally haven't had the lead but in that Giants game. That was literally only game they had the lead for much anytime. And not once this year outside of that have they had a 2 score lead (at least I don't think they have) at any point where you could actually get aggressive and start to get teams in predictable passing situations. Khalil Mack has been a giant dud with the Bears. Not saying he isn't a good player, he is, but very overrated and no matter the excuse he just isn't making enough plays. This game would have been closer with Hicks and obviously D is much much better with Hicks & Goldman (no one can run on you and it means a lot more 3rd and 7+ vs. this year where teams have been able to run a bit and keep things in 3rd and manageable a lot. By the way - not defending Jackson cause he's had a mediocre season, but as someone noted he had 2 TD's taken away on bad calls.

Keep Danny T was a big mistake. He's a good leader, etc, but Nick K was an ascending player via DannyT on the wrong side and Pace just made a massive mistake picking the two. Obviously a lot of input went into that...but big mistake. Quinn is non-existent - just an awful use of cap space when they could have tried to bolster the oline (vs. thinking a new line coach would magically change things). And I will give credit to Rodgers - damn guy is good.

Despite the bad throws by Mitch - it was the best this offense has looked in a long time (which tells you all you need to know). Poor Mitch..throws 2 TD's on the first drive...both dropped...settle for field goal. Than he gets a nice first down...called back via holding and follows up with turnover. On the fumble he gets a massive face mask. He had his issues but he was at least throwing the ball down the freaking field. Whomever thought Nick Foles was better for this team made a huge mistake. Than of course there is the defense - just flat out whipped in 1st half....gave Bears zero chance. Never surprised. I'll still say, Mitch is not near as bad as most Bears fans think he is...doesn't mean he's great either, he clearly isn't...but I don't know that anyone would be with Nagy's system and with this line (although I didn't even think the line was that terrible). I hate the Packers - got I hate the Packers.

Why do I see the headline - Broncos score more points with no QB than bears do against Packers

Ok - This thread has gone off the rails. Closing it.

Eddie Jackson on COVID list.

Please don't let these be famous last words. I want more than anything for the Bears to find a spark and start winning...but it won't happen.

Very cool.

I already have been telling my kids we are in. I probably won’t be first because of prioritization but like you I am pro vaccine. I also assume between all of these companies a ton of analysis is being done etc. I am hoping by March/April my family and I have vaccine in us.

What is the starting point - like what is the current risk of getting it? I know that depends on the region. I know its a lot higher today almost everywhere in the country than it has been at almost any time during the pandemic. Like are current %'s 5% and so now that increases 75% in a group of 25 people or more so now I have a 8.75% chance? I'm genuinely curious as a stat guy.

Greg - why are you randomly watching live streams of riots in other places? Seems like an odd thing to do. Why not get some fresh air or a hobby that is less stressful.

To be completely honest - that is probably the most sincere answer I've heard from him yet and I actually get it. He's been having calls from people saying he should be impeached from day 1. So I can see why he is taking this crazy stance from that perspective (meaning I see his logic - not saying i condone it or support it - the dude is horrible and should move on). 4 years ago the other side, recognized that Trump won...but it did feel like from day 1 they were out to dump him - which trust me, I get, he's not my guy and I don't support him, but he was elected president (the crusade's shouldn't start the 1st day the president is in office, no matter how small or big the margin is - let the process play out and remember you are representing the people (not just your party - the people). Now 4 years later and the tides turn and the left's views inverse just as the right's views inverse. Than you have a centrist like myself who literally just has his mind blown every 4 years at the sheer hypocrisy that exists (and shame on me for having it always happen). I do think Biden has the sincerity about him where maybe he can actually flip the pendulum.

It really is cause he's such a likeable dude (imo). Warriors can still be pretty interesting and they have cap space, but somehow they went from a team I didn't root for to a team I'l absolutely be cheering for casually (just because of everything their best players had to go through).