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Grilli was the top prospect of the Giants a few years ago and was the key piece of the Rob Nenn deal. I think he had some arm injuries, but he's supposed to have dominant stuff. This is a good move, but I was surprised they took him. That leads me to believe, A, they could just have Grilli as a part of the Koch trade (allowing the Sox to keep him, without keeping on the major league roster) or B, they could be expecting him to be one of their relievers this season.

That sucks, I'd love to see what everyone else looks like. During my break I plan on restoring this thread and the hot chick thread.

This doesn't really kill that deal, if you ask me it makes it more viable. Now the Sox would know their price if they do trade for Guillen, instead of worrying what he would get in arbitration. I think they signed him, much like the Sox signed Mark Johnson before trading him because it makes it easier to work out a deal when the guy is signed.

Because 14 mill is too much on a team that is gonna have a 58 mill payroll. If he was willing to negotiate a long term contract at 10 mill a year for like 3-4 yrs, then I'd say keep him, but as of now he is demanding a ridiculous amount.

Good stuff Jim, I pretty much agree with you. Of course I believe that Rupe and Ring were the only good prospects we gave up in the deadline deals, although I do like Hummell. But I like your analysis.

Well, we don't know who said no on Soriano and with Tejada not going to Seattle it changes the playing field.

The d played great and Grossman showed some promise, but he's definately very raw still. Loved the play of Brown and Tillman once again and Zoom played with some bunch.

Thats a big difference...if they gave him 72 mill or so I'd have to say they grossly overpaid him. But hell, makes Jose look like more of a bargain.

This deal isn't horrible money wise, its horrible in the sense they have him for 6 years, so you have putting a lot of faith in him staying healthy and all that. I do think this means Magglio to Mariners becomes a bigger possibility and I think you could definately say that Jose will now be the main target of teams looking for a shortstop. Teams can't sit and hope Nomar goes onto the market cause both owners seem to believe that they will not be able to pull off the Manny/Arod deal although that could just be them trying to be wise. And for whoever said Lee/Jose couldn't get Garcia and Wynn I think your wrong. The Mariners are just trying to unload Garcia and would probably do it for Konerko. Lee could get the Sox Washburn with ease, although It wouldn't be horrible to see a Lee/Jose for Garcia and Wynn deal, if the Sox could add Guillen into that deal so they fill 3 needs. Still, I'd probably prefer to trade Magglio and then sign Lee to a long term deal at a more affordable price, if possible. Then look to get Aubrey Huff.

I know during the middle of the season there were some reports that Baltimore would be willing to increase their payroll by as much as 40 million. Signing Tejada was definately the first step. This has to make a Mariners/Maggs deal a little more likely.

Kennedy was good the year before, last year I think he had an ERA around 6.

Perez and Garcia are both arbitration eligible. Perez will likely get 5 mill, Garcia 8 mill. There are reports that Garcia may be non tendered and if thats the case he becomes a FA, but those aren't verified. If I got Soriano, I'd have him start.

But is Mike Cameron really 3 mill a year better then Carl Everett??? But your right, I definately mis priced him. I thought he could of been had for 4 mill a year and I think thats what he's worth. I also thought Colon was an 8 mill a year pitcher, 10 mill max. He got more then that and so be it. Sometimes other teams overpay cause they have drastic needs, but I think teams are almost always better off not overpaying and just waiting and going another direction. I hope the Sox do this.

Angelos is willing to lose a fortune.

They would of done a deal if the Dodgers gave up one of their top pitching prospects or at least thats what was reported. I think if you gave up two top pitching prospects and another pretty highly rated prospect you could get him. And it be more then worth it.

Agreed...I knew his stats were good, but I just looked at him and Maggs what. Huff is a freaking stud. If they demanded Rauch and Honel, I'd do it. 26 yrs old, bats left, throws right and plays a solid right field. Last season he hit .311 with 34 hr, 107 RBI, and had a .367 OBP. He also made 325 K, which means he shouldn't make too much next year, although I think it would be great to sign him to an extension. And his 2002 numbers were very similar, although over far fewer games. He may be the most under-rated player in the majors. If the Sox could: Jose, Magglio for Garcia, Wynn, Soriano/Naggette (My spelling sucks for his name), and Carlos Guillen. Then move Borchard, Rauch and Pacheco/Honel/Wing/Anyone but Reed, for Aubrey Huff. You then sign two relievers and move Koch. Wynn - 4 mil- l Guillen - 3 mill Thomas - 6.5 mill Huff - 1 mill (I'd sign him long term though for a lot more) Carlos Lee - 7 mill Konerko - 8 mill Crede - 750 k Olivo - 500 k Harris - 500 k Total Cost: 31.25 mill Thats a freaking hell of a lineup. And you got a rotation with 4 pretty proven starters and then Soriano or Naggotte. And a strong bullpen. Rotation Elo - 4 mill Buehrle - 3.5 mill Garcia - 8 mill (maybe they can reach a cheaper deal if they give him some stability) Garland - 2 mill Soriano/Naggotte - 400 K Total Cost 18 mill (a little less then) Bullpen Marte - 1 mill Two FA Relievers = 5 mill (2.5 per) Weathers = 3 mill (Plus another mill that we pay for Koch, so 4 mill total) Wright - 500 K Sanders/Majewski/Munoz (400 K) Total Cost: 11 mill (a little less) So thats total pitching of 29 mill and total hitting of 31.25 for a total of 60.25 mill, only 2 mil over the proposed budget. I'd say this would be a possibillity and it be a hell of a team. I'd have to think the Drays would do a deal for Rauch and Pacheco (They want pitching and both could come in) as well as Borchard (Chance to turn things around).

Heck, then you don't have to add Payton, Huff provides left handed pop and the Sox have their rotation set, add two relievers and don't have to sign any FA position players. That be freaking incredible. Plus, Reed passed Borchard, so I got no problem. Huff is inexpensive and the Drays want pitching.

I'd do that in a heartbeat. I'd try not to give up Pacheco though.

Thats it, I knew they had someone, couldn't think of who it was. I'd think Wynn and Garcia are definately part of the package. The question is whether Guillen would come into the picture if the Sox want to unload Jose (Only if Tejada doesn't sign with the Mariners) and then the Sox demand one of the prospects and hold out for Soriano. Mariners are trading Wynn, who would be a bench player...Guillen would of been non tendered, Garcia (They don't want him and he's gonna get dealt for a bat sooner or later..potentially non tendered too, but who knows) and then the prospect. So in all honesty, the Mariners are making a deal giving up one guy that would of really be contributing on an every 5th day basis in Soriano or the top prospect. The Sox give up two everyday players, but pick up all starters that will come in and help. Mariners have a stud outfield, still have their infield with some pop and can insert Naggotte into the rotation or one of their other very good prospects. I think the only ??? is if they can get Soriano.

And thats about what they were going to offer Miguel Tejada, so I think it pretty much works out. The Sox take about 3-4 mill in Guillen, 3-4 mill in Wynn, and 7-8 mill in Garcia so it really only saves the Sox like 3-5 mill. Of course it fills your starting rotation, the leadoff slot, shortstop and you can now afford to go with Willie Harris at 2nd because you have Wynn and Guillen at the top of the order. You still have Konerko, Thomas and Lee and they just need to add two relievers, maybe deal Koch to free a little more money and get you a reliever and then sign one more outfielder like Jay Payton. You then have Randy Wynn Carlos Guillen Frank Thomas Carlos Lee Paul Konerko Insert RF - Preferably a left handed hitter (Don't know whose out there, but a lot of outfielders that are solid will be there) Joe Crede - 3rd Miguel Olivo - c Willie Harris - 2nd Rotation Elo Buehrle Garcia Garland Soriano Bullpen Marte Rhodes/Benitez/Gabe White/etc Another FA, hopefully from the top group Dave Weathers or another reliever (Via Koch trade) Danny Wright Arnie Munoz/Dave Sanders/Gary Majewski Bench Rowand Uribe (eventually replaces Carlos Giullen) Sandy Alomar Jr. Ross Gload That can be done and that wouldn't be too bad of a team, especially with that bullpen.

If they don't get two of Vlad/Tejada/Irod then I think they will become major players in the Maggs sweepstakes. I say after those guys get signed, the Dodgers and one of the Mariners/Orioles will be the frontrunners for Maggs. Dodgers have Franky Guiterez who is a stud and Perez to dangle and then demand one more guy in return, while the Mariners have the deal we all have been talking about as a possibility and the Orioles got Gibbons, Matos and others. I'd prefer deals for pitching myself.

I thought Carlos Guillen was gonna be non tendered, but as of now the Mariners still own his rights, but I could be wrong.

According to the LA Times the Dodgesr are hot after Wynn so he must be on the block. Bavasi has said that he doesn't expect any of the Dodgers top prospects in a trade, which tells me he's out there for something decent, no studs. With Maggs and Ichiro, they would still have a need, but their will be some guys out there for cheap they could add, plus don't they have a pretty good outfield prospect. If they lose out on Tejada, I think it makes a deal much more likely. I'd say they'd give us Guillen, Wynn, Garcia and Soriano or Naggette, although i'd hold out and demand Soriano. Of course we give them jose as well and Jose has value, I don't care what anyone tells me. Jose hit 28 hr's and knocked in a lot of runs. Sox fans may be tired of him, and I am, but very few shortstops put up that kind of production.

Agreed Mac...although I think that Guillen/Wynn would be a part of the deal too or thats my guess. I doubt Bavasi gives up two prospects, although its a possibility. I'd say Maggs and Jose for Garcia, Soriano, Wynn and Guillen. Guillen and Garcia are likely gone anyway and Wynn just signed a 3 yr extension thats rather affordable (2 yr and an option at a little less then 4 mill a year). The Sox then have a shortstop, cf that can leadoff, and their two starting pitchers and money left over to add relievers. Thats probably the best potential deal out there if you ask me...because it helps both teams.

Well, everyone said Colon's arm was gonna fall off this offseason and the Angels still got him. A lot of rumors get spread. If the Sox sign them it will obviously be pending a physical and they'll do the mri and all that. If it comes up, then I'm sure they'd say we pass. Ponson probably hasn't got much interest because not that many teams have been incredibly active thus far, plus with Boston and the Yanks not going after him, and Colon on the market all that time, he had to know he would be sitting a bit till all the other teams made thier moves (Well the teams that wanted Colon, Vazquez, Schilling and Brown).