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Fiers and Gomez are both around next year as well (Fiers through 2020). In terms of Top 100 prospects, Brewers get 2: Phillips (#39) Santana (#87) Hader (#14 Overall Astros Prospect) Houser (#21 Overall Astros Prospect)

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:55 PM) RF is a bigger need. I think both are major needs, but that is because I don't buy Saladino at 3B long-term.

What did the Brewers get?

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:32 PM) Carlos Gomez and Mike Friers to Houston Wow, love the aggression out of Houston. As Dick pointed out earlier, the addition of the wild card play in game put a greater emphasis on winning the division and Houston has clearly upgraded their roster to try and keep them ahead of the Angels.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:04 PM) I would offer Beck to the Padres and Tigers. First to say yes has a deal. Done.

Longoria does get substantial value out of his defense, however, you'd have to figure it would decline later in the contract. He is on pace for a 4+ WAR season. Offensively the past two years have been nothing like his first 5 though and the contract arbitrage goes away to the point where he will be fairly paid.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:51 PM) Micah + Adams + Montas + Anderson... I still don't do that if I'm Tampa. Maybe they would but I wouldn't. They might actually do that. Not a bad package. 2 top 100 guys and 2 near top 100 guys. Problem with Evan is he has been the face of the franchise, which probably means it takes an extreme overpay and a much larger package.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) Can Fulmer be traded? If we're trying to avoid things from the big league squad, Micah + Fulmer + Anderson + Montas could be close. If not then it's a price the Sox wouldn't do (Rodon/Quintana). No, he can't be traded till the off-season. PTBNL exception no longer works.

Longoria's contract isn't the bargain it once was, so I could actually see this working. I just think the Rays would probably want more then the Sox could realistically give up. Longoria has been trending downward though so you'd have to be cautious here (given he's signed through 2022).

Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 3m3 minutes ago Longoria is under contract until 2022. He's having a rough season (for him). His price is probably lowest its been.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) I don't see Cespedes happening either. I was just thinking and trying to understand the Upton interest. Obviously the Sox are in need of another bat but what I'm thinking is that the main target is not Upton, but Ross. I'm sure the Sox would prefer a bat that is not a rental but if taking on a rental to get one of the best GB pitchers in the league is what it takes, it might not be so bad depending on the cost. I will say that Upton plays much better defense than Avi and hits for more power so there are two big benefits. I'm curious about what a package would look like. Avi, Erik Johnson, Micah Johnson + ? That is just too steep of a package to give up for a rental. I'm giving up that sort of package for Gomez or Reddick or someone else. I don't know that the other teams do it, but that is what I'm trying to get.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:11 PM) I really hope the Sox are not after Upton. He's a FA to be and K's too fricken much. Ross makes alot of sense though. GB pitcher that can strike batters out. Walks alot of batters but I can live with that. Ross would give the Sox an immediate replacement for Samardzija's rotation spot in 2016. From a Sox perspective, Will Myers would make more sense than Upton. If the Sox trade with SD I hope it's for Myers/Ross. He's in general a better player then Cespedes (and a better defensive outfielder), however, Cespedes is having the better year. I just don't see us trading within the division.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) I can't tell you how many threads have been started, cleaned up, combined, and deleted in the last few days because of no catch alls. I am guessing you aren't seeing half of them then. That is what we are supposed to do though. Just like titles of threads get updated to reflect changes in news status (e.g., trade from rumor to fact).

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:03 PM) If Montas is the centerpiece I'd be all about that I would not trade Montas to a division rival. I also would not trade Montas for 2 months of Cespedes or Upton. PS: Look at Upton's numbers, he's pretty streaky and I personally think he is over-valued because of his tools (vs. his production).

If the White Sox are confused, I'd hope it is because they got some absurd offer for Shark and/or other guys and its making them think twice (given the sheer upside of something else). I think the idea of giving up talent for a rental is just awful (unless we literally are getting one of these rentals for nothing). As long as we are buying for the long haul, I don't really care. Then as long as you still buy into contending next year and the following year, you are in good shape!

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) No one's going to have to empty the farm, or trade a top 100, for 2 months of these hitters. I hope we get neither - don't give up young players for a slim chance at a wild card. I'd rather trade Shark and roll with Johnson and we'd probably not take much of a step back. But of the 2, would far prefer Upton. Don't need any of these "I won't play RF" guys on team. Cespedes has a career OBP of .316. And don't want to send a player to Tigers. I bet you that Justin Upton goes for a top 100 prospect. I tend to think Cespedes does as well. And if not a top 100, then two guys who are close to top 100 status.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) I'm referring to Eaton, Melky, Gomez, and Garcia. See, that is where I have no issue. Avi is not a major league starting outfielder (not on a contending club with other lineup issues). I understand he is young and has some tools but I think he is a bad baseball player and given our pitching stuff, am okay cutting ties with him and finding a capable outfielder. I really don't think a lot of people realize just how terrible Avi Garcia is. They all underestimate the awfulness of him because of his age and "tools".

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:48 PM) Then what would we do in 2016 with 4 outfielders, not including Shuck/Trayce? What 4 outfielders are you referring to? Trayce and Shuck aren't starters and Avi isn't a starter either (and I presume would be part of a trade).

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) Must admit, Soxtalk's obsession with not allowing catch-alls is sorta.....bizarre. You can blame me (although I'm not the only person anti-catch all), but as the owner, I have certain preferences and I hate solid rumors burred in threads. It is a pain in the ass for me to read (when I don't want to necessarily read through pages of discussion if I'm trying to get caught up on news / rumors) and it is also bad for forum discussion (and as an admin, I try to do what helps generate discussion).

I really don't like the idea of going for a rental. We are still on the outside looking in and are working towards a longer term plan. This winning is nice, but I'd rather give up an extra prospect for Carlos Gomez or someone else who will be around vs. giving up prospects who won't even be around next year to help us (especially positional prospects).

Based purely on us getting him as a true buy-low, then yes. However, it doesn't appear that the Cubs are going to sell him as a buy-low. I.e. give him up plus take on a bad contract (or send cash) for another team to take Castro off their hands.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 02:35 PM) Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 4m4 minutes ago #WhiteSox hitters last in the majors in fWAR, so almost any upgrade would make sense. Main need: 3B, a position of scarcity in industry. Todd Frazier is out of the line up tonight Frazier would be a pretty big get and go with a longer-term plan. I just think the price would be so steep that it wouldn't make sense. Plus, you have to admit Saladino has provided a nice spark, but Frazier is a clear upgrade and Tyler will probably have an adjustment phase now that teams are getting more footage on him.

Given closure in the catch-all, this now allows for discussion on Upton within here (similarly, we have a thread on Cespedes, who has been rumored).

This has turned into a catch-all, which I am opposed too. Lets get the specific threads on the various rumors started.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 11:21 AM) Sox acquire: Yasiel Puig Austin Barnes Blayne Weller Diamondbacks acquire: Tyler Flowers Chris Hatcher Dodgers acquire: Cody Regis Frank Montas Micah Johnson Tyler Danish Erik Johnson Why does a team gunning for the world series trade from its major league roster (Puig and technically Barnes) without getting a major league piece back? Only way the Sox get Puig (without including Sale / Q) is as a 3rd team in a deal where the Dodgers get the front line pitcher that they want (and at this point, I have no idea who that is).