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Padres need a closer and now have more payroll room. Preller not shy about trading prospects. Throw in some $$ and get a couple of interesting prospects for Kimbrel. Padres went a season with Melancon - the worse good closer in MLB; Kimbrel's a big upgrade.

But that's also because the Sox traded one of the best closers in baseball for Koch. Under any level of analysis, Foulke was the superior pitcher. Koch threw hard; Foulke didn't - I guess that was it. But Williams finally got the pitching squared away and got the ring.

Hoping, not expecting. When Kimbrel pitches well, which he did for much of last year, he is an elite closer. Hoping some team is willing to pay a bit for that.

Ray, to, me, screams "buy high." He had a career year last year. Otherwise, he's good, not great.

Sign me up, although we need a starter too.

Seems a mite steep for Canha.

Well he was, wasn't he? That he is a proven elite closer, when he is pitching well, is what adds a premium to his value: when the Sox bought him, and hopefully when they sell him.

MLB top 10 or Phillies top 10? This guy kind of looks appropriate for a Kimbrel trade, either solo or perhaps the Sox would have to take Segura (not ideal).

And they need to cover the bottom pen spots internally/scrap-heap because they have far bigger holes in SP (Keuchel is one of the 5 and they have no depth), 2B and RF. Perhaps they can take a Giants approach to the pen and look for command over Ks for the bottom spots.

I didn't think the market for Kimbrel would amount to much, but it looks like they will get something. If it's the Phillies, send us Eflin. Still young, has been pretty good, but not great; I think he's sitting on a big season.

I do hate repeating the practices that put the Sox in a 5-year hole, and creating a hole to fill a non-hole. Anyway, what major (or non-major) hole does this fill? Maybe SP, as his gives Hahn room to move Crochet, one of the few players of real value that he could trade. Athletics, I'm sure, would be pleased with Crochet for 1 year of Bassitt, although the FO would provide them with more.

This FO loves veteran relief pitchers.

There's nothing wrong with Bassitt. He'll be a good pitcher to sign next year. There's a lot wrong with Rick Hahn trading for him. Horrid record with trades with As; trading for 1-year player (with all due respect to Lynn); weirdness of trading for a player that he once traded away for dimes on the dollar.

Trouble is, when talking OF, there isn't a lot to go big with. Marte can really hit, but not much power. Castellanos can rake, but his D is terrible (at least by the numbers).

Trading for Chris Bassitt is pretty close to the last thing Rick Hahn should do this offseason. Escobar's a good player; it would be great if they can sign him. I can see the Semien hesitancy....he wants to be paid for those 45 dingers.

No my cup of tea, but definitely a Hahn type of trade: load up the wagon for a good, not great, player.

Go get 'em, Rick Hahn. Premium talent. I think I can, I think I can...

I would hope that they have far more than a 2 year window. 4 good years after 7 years of a dog-and-pony show is no good leverage. Capable front offices contend for far more than 4 years. This "all in" stuff is not something adept front offices do in order to contend.

It's not that I think Leury's particularly good; it's just that I think trading for Segura or, even worse, Merrifield, would just be ridiculous. I think there may be temptation there, as they are on 2 year contracts, a window Hahn seems to favor. I think the FA 2B are much more interesting than the FA RFs, so signing one of those guys would be my preference. As for OF, I think Sheets/Vaugh will hit; and as for D, I'd like to upgrade LF as well. I also think there would be trade targets for OF, including some players on their ascendancy and possibly a young player for young player trade.

I'd rather sign Leury to be the 2B starter, than a lot of these trades and trade targets bandied about.

Hahn is the best in the biz at begging the question. That "explanation" explains nothing.

Maybe so. Same with Kimbrel - maybe Hahn's got something up his sleeve that explains that 16 mill. But all this would require Hahn being proactive, having an effective plan, and being able to execute that plan. Based on the last decade of Hahn, I doubt it. But we'll find out one way or the other.

Lux skyrocketed to a top 5/10 prospect going into 2020. But since that time, he's had 2 stints in the majors (his 2nd and 3rd stints) and none of the 3 have gone terribly well. He's also had problems making contact. Vaughn had issues, but he's been up only 1 season (versus 3) and also had a pretty significant position change. I don't know who's better, but I think the bloom is off the Lux rose, and if the Sox like him, they should be able to get him for less.

Kimbrel @ $16 is an overpay in all but fluke circumstances; so if you can only have one, none is the answer. And in the Kimbrel @ $16 or Rodon @ $18.4 choice, Rodon is the obvious choice by a mile.

Those are some crocodile tears when you give $16Mill to Kimbrel.