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Good point. I forgot about the option. But looking at the option (pay him $12m to pitch or $4m not to pitch), the Sox could have him this season for an incremental cost of $8 m. That's pretty reasonable (the Sox have spent more than that for much worse on paper) and the Sox still wouldn't go for it. I guess we can't expect other teams to.

That and that the Sox were unable to move him at the deadline last July.

Did he do anything that was actually bad/illegal/immoral or was he just a giant pain the ass? If just the latter, sign him.

While it may be a fair return, my point was simply that it doesn't reach the "sky high" or "outrageous" level that the media reports have characterized Getz' demands. And my preference would be to not accept that Mariners return.

If we're willing to take a mid-rotation guy as centerpiece, our asking price isn't as outrageous as advertised.

Do Woo or Miller have TOR talent? If not, I don't see the point of such a trade. I'm guessing they don't, as 6th and 4th round picks (although that's not dispositive).

I'd be careful of Mariners' pitchers as that is a pitchers' park. And then there is the annoyance of trading for a 6th round pick from just 3 years ago; 6th round, one of several that the Sox punted that year.

Not a Varsho fan, but I like the thinking of not going "all prospect." Boston: Roman Anthony, Grissom, Tanner Houck.

Baltimore won 100 games last season, but if you look at their individual stats, it doesn't look like a 100 win team. They could easily fall back to 85-90. And they were flattened in the playoffs. They have a lot of young players, but still need to sort through them. And Cease did have a less than stellar 2023. We're just more likely to get young talent from mature organizations like the Braves or Dodgers or the like. But they've probably made their moves. So, to state the obvious, it looks like June or July. Not ideal, but worth the risk (versus "settling") considering the lack of talent in this org.

It's the people who listened to Haber and made a pick based on his advice that should be embarrassed.

It seems better than it has been, although still probably bottom quintile.

This is a good time to pimp my "Tim for Rightfield" campaign.

I hope our scouts are savvy enough to be ahead of the curve on this and aren't wed to top 50/100 lists. Prospects rise and fall; heck the Dodgers just swapped a top 50 guy for an unranked prospect, in a deal that is considered fair. It gives a lot more leeway on making a deal; and we don't want yesterday's top 100.

Congrats...on all of it!

Sign Timmy and put him in RF.

Now that Busch is Ferris, perhaps the Dodgers can offer a different Busch and Ferris. I also wouldn't mind an old-fashioned baseball trade; Boston comes to mind. Not overly confident that the Sox can ever build this thing from the ground up (lack of infrastructure, international investment, etc.)

Right on!

Don't need/want the spare parts. Go stand in the corner with Cardinals' fans for that one.

Praise be. No more punting! I assume that this means no more ceiling relivers in the early rounds as well! (which I assume came complements of moneyball Haber)

Trading top prospects at all in this day and age, much less trading them for a pitcher coming off of a bad year.

Yea, this isn't good. The Braves may not have the most desirable prospects. But their FO has the sophistication to understand Cease's value, and the guts to make a move. And currently, the Sox are dealing with orgs that I fear lack both, esp. the guts.

I just saw that they signed Maldanado. Seems like some Pedro nonsense.

He's acquired the veterans for the price of an inconsistent reliever; far cry from his predecessor who would trade a legitimate prosect for a washed up veteran. Admittedly, his predecessor as a point of comparison is a ridiculously low bar. But Getz really doesn't have a lot of assets to work with. As for his work in player development, well it certainly hasn't been a success. But he can only try to develop the players he's given, and who knows how much of the problem was lousy drafting.

You know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but he doesn't walk and he doesn't hit homers. I see the 120, so I guess I'm missing something.

He really hasn't done much in the majors: his OBP was good in his first year, but that appears to be batting-average inflated, not supported by real power or by walks. He's got negative returns on his defense, per fangraphs. And as I recall, he was barely a top 100 prospect when called up, so it's not like he was one of these guys just waiting to explode. He seems more like the 3rd piece.