SkokieSox

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Sep 3, 2007 -> 03:18 AM) Damn. Tampa won, too... we should have lost today. Lol - I'm fine with the second pick in the draft...

QUOTE(chisoxt @ Sep 3, 2007 -> 01:53 AM) I am not sure if this is an appropriate spot for this post, but I practically fell out of my chair when I learned that likey ROTY KC Royal pitcher who has the sixth best ERA among AL starters, and a 14 game winner belonged to the Mets last year. Omar Minaya, the GM of the Mets, is a decent GM but like Kenny, has fallen into the 'let's get a reliever from a last place ball club trap' when he dealt Bannister for the now injured and useless Ambiorix Burgos. The GM of the Royals is a genius. To a degree, the Royals still had/have young talented pitching arms. They are low mileage and throw hard (at least guys like McDougal). He hasn't panned out for the Sox, but he was pretty serviceable for them. I wouldn't not deal with them, as I think they still have some players that will have some good careers, if not with them.

QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Sep 2, 2007 -> 07:43 PM) Who needs examples? It's been a CONSTANT. Just ask fathom if you want numerous examples. I can recall a horribly managed game which Contreras pitched in... I think last month. I can recall numerous games of mishandling pitchers, pinch-hitters, etc. you name it. It seems fairly commonly known that ozzie seems to not do his homework fairly often. Whatever, what "seems fairly commonly known" is that this team was lost from the start and that there was not much Ozzie or anyone else could have done with this dismal performance from this years team. Blaming Ozzie is just another way for people to feel comfortable in deferring responsibility to the real issues. And since you give very general complaints to Ozzie in his handling his pitching staff, I ask you who in this pen was worth a damn besides Jenks that Ozzie could have used? What the hell was the guy supposed to do? The only option was to give Jenks 200 innings pitched this year, which everyone would then complain about that. Who needs examples? I do, because I think this argument is horse ****. Whenever a team is going bad, there's always a fall guy, but you are pointing the finger at the wrong man.

QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Sep 2, 2007 -> 06:36 PM) I get your point, but anyone who denies that the manager has a huge impact on the team and that Ozzie has been atrocious in his managing (and that this has a huge impact on games and has possibly cost the Sox quite a few) is delusional. Delusional may be excessive - please cite some instances... Granted there will be plays where people disagree with certain moves, but that's bound to happen with any manager over the course of a 162 games. Ozzie has had his hands tied this season. The pen has sucked, we haven't been able to move runners (assuming they've been on). I mean if we had a .300 team average, and Ozzie was running us out of innings because of hit and runs and stolen base attempts, that's one thing, but that's not what's going on. The entire team has underachieved, what possibly could he have done different, besides what he himself has said, of becoming a mean person.

QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 02:22 AM) I find it funny Ozzie is mouthing off and bad-mouthing his players when he's a part of the overall problem. I understand why some people liked hearing this, but IMO he should keep his mouth shut, at least until he actually becomes a good manager. Exactly, he needs to teach these players to be great. I'm sick of all these people trying to put responsibility on the players. Its the managers who win games...

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 30, 2007 -> 06:59 AM) Well, Guillen, you said yourself the same core of players will likely be here next season. Have fun missing the playoffs, lol. What did you expect him to say throughout the season, especially after everyone tells him to keep his mouth shut. You can't have it both ways... I'll be having fun missing the playoffs as well I guess.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Aug 30, 2007 -> 06:32 AM) http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines My personal favorite: Seriously...it's about time he friggin wigged out. These guys are the most passionless group of turds I've seen in quite a while. Seems like Ozzie's been trying to by Mr. Congeniality since his run in with Moronatti last year. Well f*** it....these guys deserve to be ripped a new asshole. My problem is, I just think he should have done this back in the end of May, beginning of June or so. I can just picture Paulie and Thome just kind of shrugging in the corner right now. This team really lacks leaders besides Mark. Don't get me wrong...I love Paulie to death...but we need more nads on this team. Bout friggin time Oz..... This his first blow up to the media, I seriously doubt he's kept his cool all season behind closed doors. I agree though that this team can use some more nads from its player personnel.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 27, 2007 -> 07:41 PM) You would have $25 million a year to find one. Even KW probably could do that. Not in the market upcoming. Its dry as a bone

With the FA pitching market as it is this offseason coming up, whose to say we couldn't get a talented player like Young in a trade? That was basically the meat of the deal for Javy, and even though I don't believe the Sox move him, his value could bring in a lot. Young's going to be a great player, at least he's prepped to be, but Javy could bring in a lot of talent. I think this deal still favors the Sox...

Richar scores again

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 21, 2007 -> 10:41 PM) Once again I ask what does Myers' performance the rest of this season have anything to do with how he will perform in 2008? Politte and Cotts were good at this time in 2005, what did that mean for 2006? Thornton, MacDougal, Masset, and Aardsma were pretty good the final month or so of 2006, what did that translate to in 2007? The Sox should give their young pitchers the innings they are giving Myers to get some experience. Myers should take some time off, and the Sox should have invited him to spring training. And let the guy rust over until ST of 08? He still needs to be out there if you expect him to contribute, even next year.

Alright, the team's going bad. No need to gang rape Ozzie just because he is trying something out in the next ST for crying out loud. It's like any announcement needs immediate disapproval from this site. Relax, it's a strategy - no big deal.

QUOTE(max power @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 11:26 AM) Everybody loves this damned(j/k) town, apparently. Dye(maybe to a lesser extent because of an off year), Kong, Buehrle . . . Zambrano. Chicago's tight

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 12:30 AM) Well KW supposedly told Buerhle he would be going after some big names.. I think if they can somehow get someone to take Contreras for half of the rest of his salary than he can make a decent splash... But who? I'm sure ridding or reducing the amount owed to Contreras by trade will significantly help, but I think the Sox will open the payroll books a little this winter as well.

Next - AROD for 7 yrs $210 million go get him

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...sp&c_id=cws I have to say, when the contract extension was in the midst of collapsing, I was upset and felt a trade was necessary. It just goes to show that there are things going on under the radar that aren't visible to the whole population. I'm glad he wants to be here as much as he does. Definitely adds some brownie points in my book.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Aug 18, 2007 -> 01:40 PM) Are the Iguchi and Mackowiak salaries pro-rated for this year? Always - you get the savings on the remaining payments of the year's salary when trading a player. Unless of course cash is part of the trade...

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Aug 10, 2007 -> 07:32 PM) Clearly the easiest name and the first player that comes to my mind is AROD. Will he get him? I don't know. He is a good fit for this team and KW has always wanted him. I think it would be nice to have the best player ever on the White Sox and have him break the all time home run record here. Jerry Reinsdorf also has a history of paying big for position players (Carlton Fisk, Albert Belle). I say there is a good chance AROD is with the White Sox next year and for years to come. Can you imagine AROD in this park? Its a perfect situation for him as well! Homeruns would be launched nonstop.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Aug 9, 2007 -> 11:30 PM) I wonder how many people I rick rolled so far. Everybody's an expert... Really, I don't have anybody in mind who would be better, or who players would want to play for more.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 5, 2007 -> 08:22 PM) DJ was still there today. Stone starts Tuesday. Thanks - hope they're on WGN for a couple of them...

How were Hawk and Stone together?

Does this put a damper in the Sox 20 year plan?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2007 -> 11:58 AM) Fields with his 2 hits last night has the average up to .241, and dumping Crede is the subject of the day. For as bad as Crede supposedly was before last season, if he batting more than 50 times his worst season was .239 with 21 homers and GG quality defense. Non tender Joe Crede? Ridiculous. These White Sox "prospects" are a lot like back up quarterbacks. So many people love them until they really have to count on them. When I heard Hawk say the Sox really have something special in Andy Gonzalez yesterday, I questioned why Duane Shaffer got the pink slip. WOW It'll all depend on his back... If healthy, I'm sure he'll begin the ST to prove it with the Sox, probably leading to a trade. I didn't hear him say it, but "something special" is subjective. I though of Ozuna as a "very good" utility player, and I envision AG taking on that role. That could be "something special"...

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 06:36 PM) 4th would be an optomistic point of view, unless we keep our payroll in the top 10 the Royals will challenge the sox for that 4th place slot. Geez, you guys make it sound like MB will be the difference between a WS and an AL Central last place finish. It's not that drastic...

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 03:07 PM) He sucks....outside of his first relief appearance and his Cubs start, he's one of the worst pitchers in Sox history. 51 base runners in his last 17 relief innings is all you need to know. Lol - I don't know man, we've had some losey pitchers, so it would take a little more than 17 innings to reach that title. I get your point though...