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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:38 PM) CarGo is absolutely amazing. I'm in love, man. You think I'm hard on KW right now? Let him give up a talent like Carlos like dumbass Billy Beane did and you'd have to put KW in the witness protection program. I'd dedicate my life to tracking him down.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:32 PM) Link "I was not trading Gordon Beckham,'' Williams said. It's an even better sign that teams did not even ask about Viciedo, who the Sox project as a game-changing power hitter at either third base or (post-Konerko) first base. He's in the second year of a four-year, $10-million contract and is valued higher than it might have seemed heading into the weekend of the trade deadline. "People know how we feel,'' Williams said, explaining why no teams asked for him. "He's 21 years old. A talent like that will be a major force in the league. I'd like you to find one or two (prospects) at his level who can do the things he can do, are as explosive. The ball comes off his bat. People understood we weren't going to (consider trading him)." I'll definitely give KW credit here. Takes a special player for Kenny not to consider trading him.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:17 PM) I was bored and decided to run our current lineup through a lineup optimizer. Using Dayan's current wOBA (.363), our lineup averages 4.87 runs per game. I don't really think Dayan is going to hit that well all season, but I don't think it's unreasonable that he can at least have a .340 wOBA given his power. By just replacing Viciedo with Kotsay, our runs per game goes down to 4.57 (which is incredibly close to our season average of 4.61 runs per game, you wonder how these things work so well sometimes). That's a .3 run difference. That .3 run difference over the next 59 games is a total of 18 runs. Even if I put Dayan at a .340 wOBA and a .460 slugging, we would average 4.78 runs per game, that's a .21 difference, resulting in a difference of 12.4 runs. To make this even more realistic, I decided to put in the projected stats by ZiPS for the rest of the season. Fortunately, the expected regressions by Konerko and Rios get canceled out by better hitting from just about everyone except those two. With those projections, we're at 4.59 runs per game. If I plug in Dayan's rough .340 wOBA and .460 SLG projections, we get 4.77 runs per game. The difference is slightly less this time, as expected. Still, that difference is 10.6 runs. What about Mark Teahen? With him in there in place of Kotsay, we would get 4.7 runs per game. So this time, the difference is only 6.5 runs. So Viciedo is a 10.6 run advantage (1.1 WAR) over Kotsay the rest of the way. Teahen is 6.5 runs (.7 WAR). Having those two platoon might be the best idea of all. And the best thing I took out of this is that the projection systems don't seem to think that we have overachieved thus far. In fact, we have underachieved. So maybe we're not looking at a disastrous rest of the way without that big bat. Excellent breakdown.

Jeff Passan's trade deadline winners and losers (guess who was one of the losers?):http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-tradewinnerslosers073110

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 08:35 PM) Damn the ball just jumps off of Dayan's bat....damn... It sickens me that I can't get excited. Soon as Teahen comes back it's a wrap for Dayan.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 07:34 PM) He says it anytime anyone reaches bases. It's really quite annoying. He's really getting on my last nerve. I used to think he was one of those guys that you would appreciate a lot more when he's gone. I'm not so sure anymore.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 05:38 PM) Playing the optimist: Jackson has nasty stuff that is arguably the best on the staff. He was an uber-prospect, on par with Floyd and Danks, and if Coop could turn him around we'd have a hell of a weapon. This is a guy who has the potential to throw Sergio Santos-like stuff for seven innings. Unfortunately, he's yet to realize that potential. Here’s hoping he does. Doubtful this will happen in all of two months. Yeah, Cooper has had success with similar projects. But not in a two month period.

They're a team that's going to see to it that Mark Kotsay gets close to 500 PAs in one season.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:59 PM) Stoney laying it down on Dunn right now, saying his slider-speed bat wouldn't stick around long in the american league LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:57 PM) KW says: Wasn't going to take away from this club (obviously Viciedo) for a rental. Didn't believe they could sign Dunn because he claims they are strapped for cash (obviously that's questionable). And that's all. KW just killed any value Tyler Flowers had. He shouldn't have let it get out they were willing to deal him for two months of Dunn.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:49 PM) You're still not explaining to us why the Giants or Rays didn't part with any of their 19 5-star prospects to acquire Dunn, since they have so much depth that they can deal them away without flinching... Does it really matter? You and SS2K5 talk about how impossible we are to deal with. You guys are just as impossible. At least ranger gets paid to be a KW apologist. You guys do it for free.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:43 PM) I don't get this. The Sox could have easily landed him too, but they said no to Viciedo. Its not that they didn't want to. I'm sure the Giants wanted to as well, but the asking price was too high. And the Giants really, really need a bat, way more than the Sox do. What don't you get? A deeper system and maybe they would've wanted something besides Dayan? Or maybe you could afford to deal Dayan? Dayan is more valuable to us than he would be to other teams because he's just about all we have left. And I'm with guys like fathom. I'm thinking Tyler Flowers isn't quite the prospect we think he is. And more importantly I think the White Sox don't think he's that great a prospect.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:42 PM) True, I've had a hard time thinking of something to talk about every week in JPNese. Even C.J. Retherford bums me out everytime I see him. He acts like he suffered amnesia in the offseason and forgot how to hit. This is all the proof I need! When JPN is down on the system you KNOW IT f***ING SUCKS!

It's 3:40 PM. And I just realized there's a good chance that Mark Kotsay is going to get 500 PAs this season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) Then why did none of the teams with the flourishing minor league systems make a deal for Dunn? Like who? The Rays? Dunn would've been an upgrade. But that team is arguably the best in baseball. They don't need Dunn like we need Dunn. They or a team like the Giants could've easily landed him had they wanted to.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:34 PM) Indeed. Not to mention the injuries to Peavy and Mitchell in spring training really killed our chances to land an impact player as well. I don't even post at futuresox anymore (and that's a shame, Ozzieball is the s***). But there's flat nothing worth following. Not even Chase Blackwood and Ryan Buch.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:32 PM) No it didn't. Our paper thin system had guys that the Nats wanted, but we refused to part with them cause the asking price was too high. Guys as in one: Viciedo. They obviously didn't want Hudson or Flowers. And the rest of the system is a joke.

QUOTE (CWSOX45 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) No one was going to trade for Dunn or Bautista. The asking price was ridiculous. Our farm system really isn't as weak as a lot of people perceive it to be. There is talent down there. Judging a team's farm system by Baseball Prospectus or Baseball America is a wash. Most of those guys don't even see the players they write about, they just regurgitate scouting reports from scouts that see guys pitch 6 innings or get 4 at bats and feel they are able to evaluate a player that is still developing in low or high a. My point is take what you read on the internet about team's farm systems with a grain of salt, because most of the time these so called "experts" don't have any idea what they're talking about. Wrong, it is that weak. Flowers, Viciedo and Hudson (before the trade) were the only three names you ever heard about from our side. Because there's flat nothing else after that. It's not perception. It's cold reality.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) This may go down as one of the worst deadline deals of all time. Casey Blake for Carlos Santana says hi.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:20 PM) Sox are done, they'll grab a bat on the waiver wire, let it go. Yeah, it's a lock. No worries at all.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) Alex Rios. Your point?

QUOTE (CWSOX45 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:23 PM) And everyone should be happy that he did say no. I am happy. But our paper thin system really bit us in the ass.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:19 PM) Waiver Wire Trades. August 30th. Understand now? lol@waiver wire trades. That's for overpaid underachievers who teams are trying to dump.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:15 PM) Do you not understand English? "You can easily grab a Luke Scott, Adam LaRoche for giving up next to nothing." Did you mean to say we could've easily gotten one of Scott/LaRoche for next to nothing? That obviously isn't the case.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:12 PM) We needed pitching before a bat ever since Peavy went down. You can easily grab a Luke Scott, Adam LaRoche for giving up next to nothing. Huh?