Jordan4life_2007

There isn't a manager in the history of baseball that could win with this current group. We've seen what Ozzie can do when he's got the pieces. I hope he's back.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 23, 2007 -> 03:27 PM) The Cubs ph D. Ward....we ph Alex Cintron. The cubs pr Pagan....we pr ? Your Cubs propping is getting out of control. You realize they have one less loss than we do, right?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 02:06 AM) I didn't give you sabermetrics; I'm not sure they technically exist in fielding. Before Crede went down, he and Uribe had some of the best range in the hole of any combo in the majors. Perhaps he may be a bit weaker going up the middle, but he's overall a good defensive shortstop. He's not Ozzie Smith, but he's not a turd. All I was suggesting by saying "metrics" was that you can look at any type of fielding measurement other than fielding percentage and errors and determine that Juan Uribe is a pretty damn good defensive shortstop. Jim Thome strikes out a ton; he doesn't strike out looking nearly as often as Podsednik did, and their jobs are entirely different. Pods job is to score runs, Jim's is to drive in runs. If Jim ledoff, I guarantee he would shorten his swing a ton and would try and just put bat on ball; because that's not his job, he tries to kill the ball every time he swings the bat, and thus misses a lot. He also has the outstanding ability to draw a walk too, partly because of his power. And yes, swinging and missing strike 3 is trying, because atleast there's a chance in hell that you can continue your AB. If the ball is right down the middle, and you don't swing, what chance do you have of seeing another pitch? And if a player is getting fooled that often, blame is placed squarely upon the player, the coaches, and the front office; the front office for allowing such a s***ty player to be anywhere near the roster, the coaches for having such a s***ty player leading off, and the player for not being prepared for what the pitcher is going to be coming at him with. That was Pods quite a bit last year, and those are the 3 groups that deserve entire blame in the situation. Finally, you can call out any player you please; all I was saying was that the reason Juan receives your so-called "free pass" is because the 2nd best shortstop in the White Sox organization is that of little range, no arm, no bat Alex Cintron. Would you rather have Cintron play SS? If Juan is going to go half-assed, I'd rather YOU play SS. Who cares that we don't have any better replacements. That gives him the right to loaf? What we saw yesterday was pathetic. He needs to be called out. If you're going to be the worst offensive regular in the league, you better damn well give 100% every second of every game. There's a difference between talent and effort. If you just suck, you suck. I can live with that. But effort is something that should always be there. And Wite, do you really think I'm comparing Thome and Podsednik? I don't think a guy that takes strike 3 looking is not trying. He might look stupid. But I'm sure Pods doesn't go up there saying "hey, I'm gonna battle for 5-6 pitches. Wait until I get two strikes on me, then take strike 3 looking."

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 01:52 AM) Saying Pods gives it all post-2005 is just not true at all. Dude dogs it to first regularly. I don't recall. Maybe it looks that way since he's been at way less than 100% for over a year now. But I never got the idea Pods wasn't trying. What were the odds that he was going to make it for opening day? Not only this year, but last year as well. That doesn't sound like a guy who's loafing to me.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 01:40 AM) I'm sure most metrics will still show that he is one of the better defensive shortstops in the AL. That means nothing when he's hitting .200. Beyond that, saying that Podsednik gave his all when he was playing is flat out lying. The guy took more strike 3 calls than like anyone in the history of the world and didn't bust ass down the line as a leadoff hitter. And, unlike with Uribe, there are replacements within the organization and around baseball that can be acquired rather cheaply for left field. I'd just as soon call up the Mets and see if we could acquire Fernando Tatis and stick him in LF. For shortstop, it's a bit harder. Add to it that shortstop is probably the most important position defensively, and you have your reason as to why Uribe gets a "free pass" as you call it. From everything I've ever seen from this board, however, Uribe does not get that free pass because he is simply good defensively, but it has much more to do with the replacement situation. Wite, please spare me sabermetrics and all that garbage. Juan is f***in' lazy. This goes all the way back to last year. There's no way around that fact. He doesn't even use his body when he throws. What happened yesterday was pathetic, and he should be benched for the next week. And since when does taking strike 3 mean you're not trying? He would be trying if he swung and missed? Jim Thome takes a lot of strike 3 calls. Is he not trying? When a player takes a strike 3 he's obviously either not seeing the ball or he's getting fooled. And I could care less about which position is harder. That wasn't the point. I'll call out ANYBODY that I feel is giving a half-assed effort. And that's what Juan has been doing since last year.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 06:03 PM) Juan Uribe is a human pile of waste. Even when he hits for the first time in a month, he can't field. And then we left Garland in too long, he was saved to end the 7th by the great defensive play but was running out of fuel. And then Bobby Jenks gives up a 3 run homer to JASON WOOD?!??! Plus, our manager concludes today is a good day to try and make our closer get a 6 out save, AND decides to leave him in for the 9th after the cat is out of the bag. And our lack of talent showed today too. Today's loss showed off everything wrong with our team right now which is, well everything except our starting pitching and Josh Fields right now, with Mackowiak, Terrero, and A.J. being adequate as well. Maybe if the Cubs sweep us and it becomes over a month without a series win, somebody loses their job. But I doubt it. I wonder too what clip that far more talented team that missed the playoffs played at too. I actually think Uribe gets a free pass around here. "Atleast Juan gives you defense." Juan hasn't been a good defensive player for about a year now. He's lackadasical (I think I spelled that wrong) and lazy as hell. Soxtalk loves to bash Podsednik, but atleast he always gives his all when he's playing. Can't say the same for Uribe.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 03:24 PM) Kobe Bryant has to be the biggest drama queen in the league. Let this man lay in the bed he made True. But he's also the best all-around player this game has seen since Air. If we could get him without trading Hinrich or Deng, I'm so game.

These were the worst playoffs/finals in years. GS upsetting Dallas was nice. After that, pure vomit.

LMAO@Wite in this thread.

I die a little bit inside each day that goes by and Brian Anderson is still sucking ass. Maybe he's not as good as I thought.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 04:57 AM) Please tell me you called the cops. I love crazy females. Fatal Attraction is my all-time favorite movie. I once had a girl follow me to ISU, and I live in Hanover Park. It spooked me out at that the time. But when I think about it now, man, it was hot!

Dan, I just wanted to let you know all your minor league updates are really apperciated.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 02:10 AM) Just checking, you do mean that people were going apes*** because Boone didn't make it over Sisco, right? That's what I recall all along. You are indeed right, sir. I was drinking scotch when I made that earlier post. Therefore all my mistakes are forgiven. Fortunately, Kalapse, who's the smartest person in Soxtalk histrory, knew what I meant.

What an amazing finals this has been.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 06:52 PM) You mean when Sisco was showing serious control problems and Boone was putting up damn good numbers at AAA? Yes, people were definitely calling for Boone. Hell, remember the outrage when Sisco made the team over Boone? Logan should have made the team out of Spring Training, he earned it and now he's having some amazing performances vs left handed hitters. Yes, I remember before the season everybody going ape s*** because Boone made it over Sisco and Aardsma. Sisco, along with the entire bullpen for the most part, was good the first 5 weeks. Nobody was clamoring for Boone when those guys were pitching well. That's all I'm saying.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 04:48 PM) Until we are officially mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, then they still have a chance in my mind. There are 100 games left in the season. More then enough time to turn things around. I love your optimism, and I used to be one of the more optimistic posters around, unfortunately, I have to come to the realization that this is just a bad team. Since the all-star break last year, this team is a disgusting 16 games below .500. That's over the course of, like, 120 games or so. That's not a fluke. That's just being bad. This team has gotten really old, really fast. We're old, slow, and unathletic. I think we've squeezed as much out of this group as we could.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 05:55 PM) Who woulda thunk that one of the best LOOGYs in the game couldn't even crack the opening day roster of a team with the worst pen in baseball? Crazy. It's easy to say that now. Nobody was thinking about BL in April.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 10:06 PM) Wait a minute, isn't he supposed to suck this year? He pitched in the WS last year, he should be totally drained. Not a good comparison at all. First, our top starters from 2005 all threw well over 200 innings, and that doesn't even include the playoffs. Second, Verlander is in his second full season. He has nowhere near the mileage on his arm most of our guys did.

Get a life! Heads, do you really weigh 120 pounds or whatever it is? I'll help you out. Come to Chicago, sir.

After last night's horrendous performance, Freddy is now 1-5 with a 5.90 era. I can't remember a pitcher his age falling off as quickly as Freddy has, atleast one that didn't have a serious injury. Anybody who still thinks we could've gotten more for this guy needs a reality check. I thank god every day we were able to get Gio back.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 8, 2007 -> 11:28 PM) Where did I blame this entire debacle on Ozzie? I just want to see a little more looseness and creativity from now on. These guys not only play not to lose, but they just seem to tight. As someone said so perfectly the other day, Ozzie seems to have lost a lot of his fire since the Mariotti incident. Please, fathom, you've been riding Ozzie for months. Even when he, in your mind, does something right, you're still making snarky remarks. How many times have you said "I wish Ozzie had kept his word and quit after we won the World Series"?

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 8, 2007 -> 11:22 PM) Last year for Gload....you know that's what I meant. Pods was just killing this team's offense for a few months after the all-star break, but we kept trotting him out to the leadoff spot before a terrific 3/4/5. Why are you still on last year? And what makes you think Gload, a guy who's not an everyday player, could've held down the leadoff spot last year?

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 8, 2007 -> 11:10 PM) I guess I just won't read Ozzie's quotes about how he feels the guys aren't having enough fun. It's real funny too, because I thought my first post in this thread was as even-tempered as I could write about him right now. So are we saying that if the Sox go 68-94 this year, it has nothing to do with Ozzie? Just how bad does this team have to play in order for him to get even the slightest bit of criticism? I blame Ozzie a lot more for what happened last year than I do this year. NOBODY could've predicted the ENTIRE offense would be this bad for over 2 months. Show me a manager that could win with a team hitting .232 in our division.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 8, 2007 -> 10:09 PM) Ozzie had a lot to do with who's on this roster also though. He's the one who needs his "speed" guy at the top of the order. He's the one who didn't want to give Anderson an extended shot this year. He's the one that never gave Gload the chance to see what he could do as a leadoff hitter. In no way am I blaming Ozzie for how bad this talent level is....but he isn't exactly out of the loop on these decisions. I like Anderson as much as anybody. But the guy is seriously lacking in certain areas. He's got a terrible swing and seems incapable of making any sort of adjustment. He's hitting .256 in AAA right now. Not exactly inspiring. Gload as our leadoff man? I guess that .317 OBP would look oh so sexy right now.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 8, 2007 -> 10:04 PM) It's time for Ozzie to step up and get this team going on the right track. He needs to stop feeling sorry for himself and talking a big game in the media. It's time for him to prove he can make a lineup without having some mediocre slap hitter at the top of the order. It's time for him to shake things up, even if that means drastic things like putting Owens or Mackowiak between Konerko and AJP to break up the automatic double play situation that those guys get themselves into. Basically, it's time for Ozzie to prove that he hasn't lost this team, and that he's the right man to stop this almost year long slump this team has been in. Please stop making comments about if you should be fired or not or what's going to happen in your career. Just go out and get this team to play with energy and confidence. Or maybe it's time for you to realize you have a silly blind hatred for Ozzie that makes you very annoying sometimes? I mean really, what the heck is Ozzie supposed to do when the ENTIRE offense can't hit for this damn long? .232 as a team? Is Ozzie supposed to make established vets like Konerko/Dye/AJ/Crede hit? Is it Ozzie's fault that Iguchi was hitting .221 just a week ago? Uribe? Mackowiak? Cintron? Ozzie's fault, too? What's he supposed to "prove"? Make this team play with energy and confidence? So you know for a fact he's not doing that? I'm not saying Ozzie has been perfect this year. No manager in baseball has been. But it's mostly, and I know this is a concept that's hard for you to grasp, on the players.