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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 9, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) If Paul Konerko makes the Hall of Fame, the HOF should cease to exist. I love Paul, but he was never one of the top five first baseman in baseball at any one point. He has had a great career, been a terrific role model and won a World Series, but no way he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. 500 home runs is not a guarantee for the Hall of Fame anymore. In 10 years, countless others are going to join that list. Just like 300 wins used to be the automatic HOF wins total, now that is more like 250. I hope Paul gets his number retired in Chicago, statue somewhere in the park, face on the outfield and all, but no HOF. I don't 100% agree with this. I agree that the standards need to be high, and maybe higher than Konerko's will end up being. But, what if he ends up being a career .285 hitter with over 500 HRs? Would the "low" batting average hold him back, or are other things considered, like defense? I'm not being a smartass, I'm curious.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 9, 2011 -> 09:38 AM) HOF or not, he will definitely get a statue at the park some day. And rightfully so.

I'd love to see Peavy throw lights out on Wednesday, but realistically I'd settle for 6 IP and 3 runs or less. I wonder if he'll have a pitch limit?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2011 -> 08:56 AM) The difference would be after 10+ years with the Yankees/Red Sox, he'd be in the top 5 all time in postseason HR. Good point. The guy is having another monster year. I know it's early, and there's always time for him to falter, but he's shown to be a better hitter over the past year. To me it seems like he's more patient and is seemilngly seeing the ball better. He'll be in our (the fans) hall of fame, but if he does hit 500 HRs and doesn't make the HoF it'd be quite a dissapointment...to me at least.

What if Konerko spent 12-15 years with the Yankees instead of the White Sox, would that make a difference? Considering he had the same stats. I don't know. I'm just playing the devil's advocate.

It's a shame. When Osama was killed, the attacking of Obama began. All those Facebook posts saying he had nothing to do with it and it's not a victory for him and so on. I would imagine that if McCain had been in office or Bush had been in office when that happened those same people wouldn't be saying that. Then there'd be others from the other side saying the same thing. I dislike getting into political discussions with people. I have some family members that have completely opposite views that I have, and I try very hard to avoid talking politics. Because they're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change their mind. And that's just a small scale of the country. Why argue and try to make others see your point of view when very few people's minds will be changed?

A win tonight, especially a win with 5+ runs would hopefully do something to spark this team. If they go into the game and get shut down again it's going to be a bad roadtrip.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Please don't tell me you think Humber really is better than any of our other starters... Maybe, maybe not. But he's been much better than expected. And, it seems as if he's sustaining that. Only time will tell.

QUOTE (oldsox @ May 5, 2011 -> 09:42 AM) ....Something like This is the most talented team to ever play this badly this long? I think he's losing it; tough to be a homer 24/7 with this bunch. Sounds like a pretty accurate statement. This team is playing way below their talent level, and it's been going on for a long time. I don't read that he's saying it's one of the most talented teams ever but rather that they've been playing badly for a long time and there's not a lot of explanation because of the level of talent.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2011 -> 08:03 PM) They said they are all in. They probably all deserve to get canned now, but I think they should play it out and if they fall short this year, clean house. New GM, new manager, new coaching staff, new era. All in IMO means your bes shot. If this is their best shot, major changes need to be made. Perfectly said.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 4, 2011 -> 08:00 PM) I watched the end of today's game while remaining positive. I just was amazed (again) at the awful at bats in the ninth. Their closer looked like horses***. We're at home, a supposedly desperate team and we can't at least TIE the game? I hate to be a negative nancy this season, but god, how much can a sane person take?? It's driving me crazy watching it. I'd rather see a guest fan come to bat with the game on the line than Juan Pierre and Omar. This team is dead on their feet right now. I knew last night's game would end as a no hitter watching the hitters come up to plate and look lost. Actually, lost isn't the right word, they looked disinterested, like they weren't trying.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 4, 2011 -> 07:51 PM) Nobody's having an attack. We just think the fact KW and Ozzie's team already is out of the race is grounds for firing. We've played our last meaningful game of the entire season and it's may 5. That's difficult to do. Think about it. This team is off the radar until spring training 2012. Amazing. I mean if that's not a fireable offense?? If you are not going to fire Oz, KW, Walker, etc., then you at least have to start dropping bodies. I'd start with Pierre, Morel. AJ will fret, but he probably should be the backup catcher now. Once again, by the time Peavy hits the ML club we're out of it. Amazing. If he has a couple good outings, see if you can trade him to the Yankees or Red Sox. Trade Mark and Paulie as well. These trades will be vital for the future of the team. If they are rotten trades, we will be done for a long time. Sorry to keep replying off you, but I like a good discussion. I agree that Morel has to get on a plane bound for NC. Pierre I'm not sure about. To whom could be dump him and for what? Buehrle and Paulie aren't going anywhere. If Peavy comes back and pitches well, he will still be hard to move unless the Sox eat a lot of money. I could see Jackson being traded, easily. AJ...again, who would want him? I like Castro, and I think he's under-utilized. I'd like to see him behind the plate more often. I think we're stuck with a lot of what we have. Anyone who is traded will most likely result in the Sox having to pay a chunk of their salaries.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 4, 2011 -> 07:51 PM) Nobody's having an attack. We just think the fact KW and Ozzie's team already is out of the race is grounds for firing. We've played our last meaningful game of the entire season and it's may 5. That's difficult to do. Think about it. This team is off the radar until spring training 2012. Amazing. I try to remain positive, and for some reason I still watch the games. However, I'm starting to think that watching a Kids Can Play II team would be much more enjoyable than watching what's going on now.

QUOTE (jeffro2525 @ May 4, 2011 -> 07:48 PM) I, for one, am going to hold out hope for better days for at least a little bit longer. I really don't want a summer on meaningless baseball. The odds are drastically leaning towards a total blowup here...but here's hoping for a 2010 type run. That'll remind me of being a Pirates fan. By the way, the Pirates are 14-16.

I want to be optimistic, so I will be. Someone (or two) isn't going to Seattle and will instead be heading to Charlotte. It'll be a minor wake-up call, and the Sox go 6-3. But, the realist in me says 4-5 at best. I hope my internal optimist is right, though.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 4, 2011 -> 07:28 PM) Fire both now. This is big boy land, the major leagues. Both have single-handedly cost the Sox zillions of dollars in revenue the rest of the year. It's tough to be out of the race after five weeks. The Sox have accomplished that. Kenny and Ozzie should both be shown the door today. Who cares at this point if Ozzie goes on to win many WS titles with another team (which he'll do). It's hexed up right now in Chicago. I think Ozzie will have success somewhere else; Kenny I think is done. He'll be a scout like Jerry Krause. I doubt that. He's not a great manager. As far as firing someone, I'm calling for heads to roll, too, but they haven't single handedly cost the Sox "zillions" of dollars. The players are not performing. Ozzie and Walker and KW and whoever else aren't helping, but these are grown men. They can hit the ball...they've done it before. Somehow they are just sucking all at the same time. I'm a proponent of Ozzie getting fired because it seems like he's totally uninvolved anymore. Will it do any good to fire him? Who knows. But I'm tired of seeing him standing on the dugout steps with a Gatorade towel wrapper around his neck watching this $128 million team fail over and over again.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2011 -> 03:21 PM) A liquor store? Is there a better sponsor for this team right now? Pepto Bismol

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 4, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) Adam Dunn can hit homers right? He's gonna have to hurry to hit normal 40.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ May 4, 2011 -> 03:04 PM) Cy Cy Sperling could shut this team down right now.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) You mean when we had an AL style lineup instead of Slappy McSucky leading off and a corner infielder who hits like a pitcher? I have his rookie card.

Have any of the announcers said something along the lines of tipping our caps yet?

QUOTE (flavum @ May 4, 2011 -> 02:49 PM) I thought the Sox would win about 92 games this season. If they lose today, they'll have to go 80-50 the rest of the way to go 91-71. Our only hope is that the Indians aren't this good, and they start losing games in bunches. Damn that's depressing.

I'm glad I can't watch the game. I'm depressed enough as it is reading the thread. Someone has to get fired, right? Right?

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ May 4, 2011 -> 11:51 AM) I was at the game last night and I haven't gone through the game thread.. was anyone wondering why Omar didn't pinch hit for Morel in the 9th last night? I wondered the same thing. I also wondered why Ozzie didn't complain about the bad call of Beckham at first. To me it just looked like the Sox gave up during the last two innings.

Maybe it's a short memory, but I had to vote for this year. This team is dead. Every day I expect them to turn it around, and it just gets worse. But, I keep watching. I'm a glutton for punishment, and there's still a glimmer of hope...I hope.