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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Lets say we are dealing an all-star OF'er plus a good pen arm. What would be a good return? What do you know? Current all-star OFer?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) Stewart is a decent, not great, prspect. But this perspective you are taking is ridiculous. Yes, the Hudson/Jackson trade was bad. That has absolutely nothing to do with what decisions KW makes after the fact. Zero. Thank you. Seeing posts stating that the Sox gave up Hudson for Stewart makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

QUOTE (bulokis @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 12:15 PM) We do not need Rasmus we have a young up and coming stud in De Aza. F*** AA is better than KW. I don't know if this is sarcasm, but it might be true.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) Or that we lost out on Colby Rasmus due to lack of a farm system. I think that's where the main frustration comes from. And lol@it being even insinuated that Jackson/Thornton would be enough. Rasmus' potential is unlimited. They weren't going to give him away. That is frustrating. It's sad that big deals are shot down because Viciedo would almost have to be involved in every one.

So when KW says the best players will play, does that mean Dunn will sit more?

I understand there's still a ton of bad feelings about the Hudson/Jackson deal, but this deal has nothing to do with Hudson. Jackson and Teahen were traded for Frasor, Stewart, and cash. It was not Hudson for Frasor.

Rios being benched is the best news of the day...maybe all year. Looking forward to seeing De Aza patrolling centerfield.

If the $10 million from the Jays is accurate, this is not a bad deal, IMO. I honestly don't care what Toronto does with Jackson at this point. If they do ship him to the Cards, they will have to send a top prospect, too. As others have said, the prospect St. Louis wanted from the Sox was most likely Viciedo. And I hope Rios sits his lazy ass on the bench the rest of the season. What he's getting paid doesn't matter...he is not performing, and he's not trying.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:27 AM) Would y'all have done Jackson + Viciedo + Reed for Rasmus? No

The Jays will almost certainly be sending a top prospect along with at least Jackson to get Rasmus. If not, there's absolutely no excuse for KW not getting it done.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) There are quite a few contenders in on Frasor, he may not be staying here. Has there been any talk about this? If so, I wonder who KW might target...or would it be prospects?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:20 AM) It'd have been Jackson + viciedo, I'd bet. And I could see why KW wouldn't do that deal.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:14 AM) No, there's no one else the sox can move to create a roster spot unless someone is going on the DL in the next hour and we have no idea. De Aza starting means someone has been dealt. That's what I was wondering. If this deal doesn't get done very soon there's got to be another spot opening (or already open) in order for DeAza to play today.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:14 AM) I'll be so pissed if this is in the case. Unless Blue Jays include stud prospects that we just don't have... I would imagine the Sox just didn't have what the Cards wanted if this is the case.

Was there a roster spot already open for DeAza? Or has something else gone down ahead of the potential trade?

I don't think this is White Flag stuff. It's not like it's Jackson and Teahen for prospects alone. Frasor is a good pitcher with a decent option for next year. If there is no money going to the Jays for Teahen, it'll be a better deal but still not great. I would think that this is step one of a series of deals, but many of us thought that about the Hudson for Jackson deal.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 09:22 AM) some tweeters are questing whether its Teahen for Frasor + prospect which noway in hell do I see the Jays accept a trade for. That would be a steal for the Sox, especially if the Sox didn't have to send any money. I agree that it sounds quite unlikely.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:59 AM) Its amazing when he pitches he sucks but if he's getting traded he so valuable. If Edwin Jackson for 2 months is worth as much as a lot of people claim, they really shouldn't be complaining about losing Daniel Hudson for him. That's what I don't understand. If this trade were to go down, and the Sox don't send any cash for Teahen, I don't mind the deal. And as far as talking about Hudson, he's not part of tis proposed deal because he's not part of the Sox organization. Can't live in the past, even though hindsight is 20/20. KW has to work with what he has, and we as fans have to accept that.

I don't understand. On ESPN they were sayimg the Sox need to fix the bullpen, and they are going after some big name closers. I thought the bullpen was the least of the team's problems...

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 09:09 AM) This thread reminds me of the simpsons episode when he made the pig for dinner, and the pig shot out the window, down the street, in the gutter, and finally shot into the ocean or whatever, and the whole time Homer is following it saying "Its still ok, we can still eat it, its still ok, i can clean it off"

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 12:08 AM) 1.) Well that's good. I did not think you were giving him any credit at all for the WS title. I may be giving him too much credit, but I have said I applaud the players that year as well. they deserve MORE credit than Ozzie. Players win games. They played hard. They wanted it. This year's team doesn't want it. Maybe they are sick of Ozzeroo. They appear to be. I'm convinced we won't have him around much longer so we'll see next season. 2.) My point is these moves in games are not unique to Ozzie. Most managers make the same type in-game decisions. Yes, he's done a poor job this year because his team appears to sleepwalk. But no manager could win with this anemic offense. The question is whether it's Ozzie's fault so many players can't hit this year. Dunno. but I wouldn't think so. I'm just saying it's a shame it's not working out with Ozzie long term because the lessons learned here are going to serve him well in his new gig. I don't know. Ozzie is about as stubborn as they come. The lessons learned so far here haven't served him well. He still makes the same bad decisions, and in my opinion he's only gotten worse.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 12:45 AM) I'd say Drew is done for the season... that makes my butthole pucker seein' that.... Christ! That's horrible!

OK, look, there’s no way Dunn, Rios and Morel will continue to be this bad. They’ll either play better or Ozzie will start playing other guys. I wish this were true, I really do.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 07:24 AM) I don't know why you guys bother with greg. I posted this in another thread to him and it still holds true. You will never change his opinion on Ozzie: Wow, you hit the nail on the head there. I could definitely see that scenario happening.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 03:16 AM) 1.) Oh, cmon Hurt, you are giving the manager of a WS team no credit. Oz will be better off in Florida with a lot of fans agreeing with you. Our fanbase doesn't deserve him if fans truthfully believe we won in spite of him. My gosh I wish I could be the type of fan you are. I truly believe you are misguided to think the skipper, the man who makes out the lineups, the man who makes all the calls had nothing to do with our success and was a 'dimwit.' You want him gone. Fine. But IMO your comments about that season are misguided. No credit to the manager? Well I'll go the other way and say he did a GREAT job managing that team and the players were great as well. 2.) You want me to go through all those close games in the postseason and state my case for Ozzie's managing? Please. Do we really want me to do that? We lost one game that postseason and many of the games were close. I think he did a nice job. 3.) He has the last laugh. He has Chicago's only WS title since the dark ages and he's gonna be let go. That truly is laughable. 4.) Maybe I contradict myself but yes he deserves the boot for his performance this year. But I'll never say he's not a great manager and I think it's sad he'll be managing in Florida next year. End of a good era. Again, Greg, I commend your unending support of Ozzie. But I just don't understand it. You clearly state that it's the players' fault that this year is so bad, but you give Ozzie all the credit for 2005. I think we all realize that no amount of blunders and mis-managing by Ozzie will change your mind that he was the best manager the Sox ever had. But he manages this team like it's an NL team, he makes lineups that often don't make sense, and he falls in love with some players and plays them over better candidates (Kotsay, Pierre). If Ozzie is gone some time this season or after this season, many of us will be happy. You'll be sad, and you'll firmly believe that the next team with Ozzie at the helm will be the next best team. To each his own, I guess.