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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 10:03 AM) It is like arguing with a brick wall with graffiti in broken sentences and bad grammar on it. I don't know why people continue to respond. I guess we're hoping we can bring the wall down. "Mr. Greg! Tear down this wall!"

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 08:36 AM) Kenny promoted De Aza and Ozzie keeps trotting Rios out there even though he's gone out of his way to play like he doesn't want to be here. You see this, I see this, but some just don't. I don't get it. Ozzie once benched Rios because he was loafing. Now he's back out there every game even though KW brought up a replacement.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 2, 2011 -> 01:15 AM) Once again, it proves we have a pennant winning pitching staff. How grown baseball men could sit back and make no additions/changes when two overpaid guys like Dunn and Rios have to play is beyond me. That's 2/9s of the lineup being an automatic out with 3B, 2B and SS also horrible this season. And they make no changes. Who cares if the pitching staff is "pennant winning" when the team is mis-managed? Dunn and Rios don't HAVE to play. KW said the players that give the team the best chance to win will play. Ozzie didn't listen. Rios is still being trotted out there. And why would you say SS has been horrible? Alexei has actually been pretty good. And not to defend Beckham's lackluster offense, but having him and Alexei in the middle infield gives the team the best chance to win.

Ozzie, and it's not even close in my opinion. KW hasn't made the best trades, but Ozzie can't manage the players that he's given. His handling of the pitching staff is horrendous, I'm sick of seeing this team play like a scrappy NL team, and if I see Alex Rios in the lineup again I'm going to vomit. More than anything, I'm just sick of him and his family. I'm just baffled that he still has a job with the way he butts heads with KW.

That lineup makes me sad. I just bet a 12-pack of Blue Moon on the series. I should probably go to the store now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 1, 2011 -> 06:43 AM) Not now. Eventually, if the White Sox are eliminated. As long as it's not the Twins. Verlander could actually put a scare into the Yankees in a short series. It would be hard for me to root for any team from the Central, but if there was a team I'd root for over the Red Sox or Yankees it would be the Indians.

The lack of stuff happening at the trade deadline and the fact that the Sox lost 2 of 3 to the Red Sox really tempered my enthusiasm for this team. That and the fact that Ozzie is still putting Rios out there regardless of what KW said. The next four games will be very telling for this team. They have to split this series at a minimum. I don't have to say what this board will look like if the Yankees sweep.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 1, 2011 -> 09:31 AM) I'm equally annoyed that our manager continues to trot him out there. This is what pisses me off the most. So, KW says it doesn't matter how much money a guy is making, the guy who gives the team the best chance to win will play. Rios in no way gives the team the best chance to win. De Aza or Lillibridge in center are better options if only because they will hustle and actually try.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) He gets it. He knows he gets paid no matter what and he doesn't care about earning the check if it means hustling. He thinks he's smooth and graceful and above getting sweaty. He's a dog. And to make matters worse, Ozzie keeps putting him out there. Why did KW even bother saying that they will play the best players? Obviously that's not what's going on. I'm okay with Rios getting a start here and there and being a defensive replacement, but he's not the guy who gives the team the best chance to win. I put that solely on Ozzie's head.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) Well Omar is 21-59 against Wakefield for his career with an .818 OPS Also, you'd have to think this is the kind of pitcher Dunn would have no problems with right? You'd think. That long swing should have plenty of time to catch up to the knuckleball.

The Pirates were mentioned once a possible suitor, but I find that hard to believe. They could make a minor move, like for Derrick Lee. However, they must have a decent farm system since they've been in a rebuilding phase longer than many SoxTalk posters have been alive.

See, Fridays are a good day for a trade to go down. I wouldn't feel as bad about getting nothing accomplished at work.

I agree this trade makes no sense to either side, except to rid the Sox of an anchor of a contract. But what the hell would the Brewers want with a guy like Rios?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 07:57 AM) Speaking of...what's the bet on De Aza being in the lineup over Rios today?

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 03:54 PM) KDub hitting up all the great minor league systems Let's hope it pays off.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) I'd take Jameson Taillon for Quentin. #11 rated prospect? Sure.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) Why wouldn't he? The worst that happens is that no one wants him and nothing changes. I agree. The problem is that I doubt any team would view Dunn as a tool to help them win this year. I do believe he will hit again, hopefully as soon tomorrow (realistically, I'll take next season), and maybe a team will want to take that chance. The Sox would probably not get much back and would probably have to send some cash.

Boston is a team I hadn't heard was interested yet. I don't see a deal happening with Pittsburgh, however, they've been "re-building" for two decades. Maybe they have some good stuff going on in their farm system. Does anyone know about that? As far as the Braves and Phillies, I would imagine if a deal were to happen, it'd be with one of them. I'm torn about trading Quentin. I suppose I'd be happy with a huge haul. But if KW trades him for less than he's worth (and right now he's worth a lot to certain teams), I won't be happy.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 08:50 AM) Problem is will Dunn Rios and Peavy's contracts hurt our chances of competing next year IMO it's essential that Sale is in the rotation next year This is what I'm afraid of. I'm less concerned with Dunn's contract than those of Rios and Peavy. I think if KW can trade Rios and even have the suckers...I mean other team take on half of his salary, it'll improve the outlook.

I think KW's in a tough spot right now. If this were another division, the decision to sell would be easy. But with the AL Central being so bad, the Sox are right in the thick of it. I would imagine even right now if a great package was offered (like Brown and Biddle), it'd be tough to say no.

To me it seems like Quentin could still be somewhat of a bargain if he was making $7 to $9 million next year (as someone speculated). I realize the Sox may be slowly slashing payroll, but I'm not a huge fan of getting rid of Quentin to do so. It's too bad Rios' contract is so bad.

So if the Sox were to acquire Gamel he'd most likely end up in Charlotte? Or, was there speculation that Morel would go to the Brewers?

I'd approve of just about anything to rid of Rios, especially if the Sox didn't have to send too much money, but is Gamel really a better option than Morel at 3rd? His offense looks just this side of bad, although with very limited action. How's his defense?

Ozzie's comments make me so angry. He said that De Aza was in the right place at the right time, and he'll try to use him. In other words, Rios will be back in the lineup soon.

Great win. Sad that the runs had to come from a guy that was just brought up. Good thing the trade went down in time.