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It should also be noted that 2B is a very important defensive position, but it isn't anywhere near as crucial as SS, CF, or C. It's right there with 3B. So yeah, while Nap Lajoie was a defensive butcher, and Rogers Hornsby was nothing special with the glove, it shouldn't factor into the conversation as much as it would if we were talking about legendary shortstops. I wouldn't use Ozzie Smith's batting average against him, basically. With the amount of runs he saved, it doesn't matter.

Isn't Rogers Hornsby often recognized as the greatest right-handed hitter of all time? I don't think that Eddie Collins could ever begin to approach him. Charlie Gehringer was a legendary leadoff hitter, no doubt. I'd put Eddie Collins at the top of the second tier, with Gehringer towards the bottom. Joe Morgan was an OBP monster, a remarkable baserunner, and a legendary defender, but he was never a good hitter. He had a few insane years when he was surrounded by Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Tony Perez, etc, but you can't ignore the overall batting average numbers that he had going into his late 20s. I know that Houston was a hitter's nightmare, but that doesn't explain everything. I'd put Joe Morgan at the top of the 3rd tier along with Roberto Alomar and Jackie Robinson. There's a pretty huge dropoff after the top 8 in Horsnby, Collins, Lajoie, Gehringer, Joe Morgan, Roberto Alomar, Jackie Robinson, and Rod Carew. And yes, I have Craig Biggio and Frankie Frisch ahead of Ryne Sandberg.

Eddie Collins was considered to be the greatest defensive second baseman of all time until Robbie Alomar came along, correct? Some would argue Joe Morgan as well. We're also talking about 3300+ hits, a lifetime .424 OBP, etc. You don't hear much about him, but he's arguably the greatest second baseman of all time behind Rogers Hornsby. Rogers is on an island; nobody could ever possibly f*** with him, but Eddie is in that second tier group along with Nap Lajoie, Charlie Gehringer, etc. Of course, Nap Lajoie is one of the foremost defensive butchers out of the 2B slot in baseball history, but his offensive prowess was extraordinary.

QUOTE (The Critic @ Apr 18, 2008 -> 11:04 PM) Chuck D KRS-ONE Posdnous

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 06:05 PM) I'm pretty sure that's part of the point.

QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Apr 9, 2008 -> 03:35 AM) These guys look awesome, but someone needs to tell Swisher that he looks like a retard.

QUOTE (sox-r-us @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 09:46 PM) Miguel Cabrera Kenny W and the White Sox are a Joke for their horrible decision making all offseason I cringe every time I read your posts. Seriously, your computer should be confiscated.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Apr 6, 2008 -> 02:45 PM) Swisher is easily as good a defensive CF'er as the overrated Aaron Rowand out there.

Excellent job by Danks, god damn.

Thome grounded out in his 3rd AB? What a bum.

QUOTE(Sox It To Em @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 07:31 PM) Never seen "Major League 2"? Then again, I guess I can't fault you. Yeah, I rented it when it came out, but I think I turned it off after about 20 minutes.

QUOTE(JFields27 @ Mar 24, 2008 -> 05:14 PM) Josh Fields is better anyways. Hey Josh, What do you like to do in your spare time? What are you currently listening to on your I-Pod? What is your favorite color?

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Mar 23, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) hating spoilers. That one was stupid, as white devils don't hate spoilers any more than the next man. Otherwise, good stuff.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 21, 2008 -> 06:15 AM) I think you can live with one below-average to average defender at one of those positions. AJ Pierzysnki has never been mr. dependable behind the plate defensively, and Iguchi was rather average defensively in 2005, perhaps slightly above. Right now, if the Sox enter the season with Anderson in CF, they'll have very good defense at probably the two most crucial positions on the field, AJ dicking around behind the plate, Fields(/Crede) at 3B, and whoever the hell at 2B. That would be fine by me. Anderson in CF is crucial beyond words. How many runs does he save over the course of a season if he's getting regular minutes, especially with our lack of defensive range out of the corner OF slots? AJ is a strong defender from a mental aspect, IMO. His tools might be slightly below average to average, but half of the defensive battle out of the C slot is actually knowing what in the hell it is you're doing, and AJ succeeds. Now, there's only so much that you can do with Danks/Contreras/Floyd, and our bullpen in 2007 was historically bad, but if you give him some personnel to work with, he's a defensive asset. At the very least, have defensive assets out of the SS, CF, and C slots.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 08:07 PM) Offering Quentin as the centerpiece for a Roberts deal would be the opposite of idiotic. That'd be a perfect fit for this team. It won't happen, but Balta, damn sometimes you confuse me. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 08:08 PM) Dropping a guy when his value is low because of injury who has put up great numbers throughout the minors and is under our control for little salary for the next 5 years in exchange for a more expensive guy named in the Mitchell report who is under our control for less time and who blocks 2 more of our young guys who could very easily handle that position today at a vastly lower cost...that's not the kind of move this franchise needs to be making. LOL! Take it to 'em, Balta!

QUOTE(2nd_city_saint787 @ Mar 20, 2008 -> 02:08 AM) I dont get why you dont understand why we got Swisher. You said we need good D at C, CG, SS, 3b, and 2b. Swisher plays none of those positions. He plays LF, Kong plays 1b, Thome DH, Dye RF, and Fields plays 3rd. According to your logic, the only problem is Fields bad D at 3rd because those other positions are positions where you hide your guys according to you. Getting Swisher is the best thing the sox have done since getting thome IMO. Acquiring Swisher means that we can't move Fields to left. That's why I didn't understand the move. Now, if they'd have gotten rid of Dye, or traded Fields, I'd have been fine with it. Having all three w/ two corner OF slots available is kinda stupid, though. You can't afford to have a bad defender out of the 3B slot. Your instincts really have to be top notch with all of the laser beams jumping off the bats of these roid freaks. You have to be able to move around as well, and Josh ain't exactly Eric Chavez, you know what I'm saying?

QUOTE(wilmot825 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 06:01 PM) The reason I said cocky was the fact I met him the night before Soxfest began. I was inside the private party at ESPN Zone, and met all the players and coaches. Jerry Owens refused to sign autographs until he finished eating, but all the other players signed and took pictures while they ate. Then afterwards I asked for his autograph and photo and he was like "yah but lets hurry it up," then before I could get a picture he sidetracked to talk to Greg Walker. Maybe I just had a bad experience with him, but he comes off as cocky and a jerk...to me atleast.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 04:04 AM) Jenks can be dominant at times, but then again he can be s***. You're trying to tell me that he's inconsistent, but a 0.89 WHIP and a .198 BAA over the course of an entire season tell me otherwise. And as I indicated before, when you smash people in those categories, along with K per 9IP, your ERA is gonna be outstanding by default. For every Sox fan that has Octavio Dotel finishing better in all statistical categories besides saves (your precise words), there are about 50,000 that would completely dismiss that possibility. That's all I'm saying.

QUOTE(kjshoe04 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 04:41 AM) It just says best ERA not best pitcher. I went with Thornton. You never really know with Bullpen ERA's. When you're slaughtering people with the WHIP/BAA/KPER9IP trio, it stands to reason that your ERA will be supreme. I see Bobby improving on his 2.77 ERA, simply because he underachieved in K per 9 IP last year.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 04:22 AM) Jenks is good, and can be dominant at times, but he isn't some god like some are making him out to be. I think Dotel can put up a better season statistically, aside from saves. We're talking about the same Bobby Jenks that retired 41 consecutive batters last year, yeah? Didn't he have a 0.89 WHIP and .198 BAA? The scary thing is that he ain't even peaking yet. If you look at his 2007 strikeout ratio, he underachieved big time. He had less than 8 strikeouts per 9 IP. He should be in the 10 range this year. I don't know, man. The guy looks like an elite closer to me. A top 10 reliever in the MLB, no doubt.

QUOTE(Mplssoxfan @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 02:42 AM) Josh does nothing for me at 2B, but, let's face it, we're looking at 86 wins this year, tops. Let's experiment. Well, his range is such that even if his other qualities out of the 2B slot were all-star caliber, he'd still be a below average defender overall. He could have the best accuracy in the league on throws to second off of double play balls, throws to 3rd and home off of relays, etc, but his horrific range would cancel all of that out. This blogger retard didn't really think about range or anything like that, I'm assuming. You need stellar defense out of the C, CF, and SS slots, and to a lesser extent, out of the 3B and 2B slots. You hide guys like Josh in LF, RF, and 1B. I'll never understand why we'd acquire Nick Swisher when we have Konerko/Thome/Dye/Fields. How many subpar defenders can you afford to take on, especially with Danks/Contreras/Floyd as your 3-4-5? LOL.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 02:16 AM) Jenks will be Jenks, I'm not as high on him as everyone else, but he'll still have a good season. Dotel, if healthy, will be the best reliever. Linebrink, however, is an average pitcher with average stuff, and I'd be shocked if he had an ERA less then 4.5 by seasons end. Seriesly? You voted for Dotel over Jenks? Jenks should have 100% of the vote in this poll. No excuses. And if anyone thinks otherwise, we need to talk, because I can use some of what you're smoking.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 17, 2008 -> 04:16 PM) If you have strong objections, feel free to pm me I just sent you a PM with a threat of great bodily harm. Check that out when you get a chance.

Jenks is better than all the rest combined. So yeah, a new poll minus Jenks would be sweet.