GreatScott82

Yes. This happened to every organization in baseball in 2020. My point was that during the previous 3 years (2017-19), the Sox netted amazing profits due to a very low payroll. Although they took a hit in 2020, you would think they would still have a pool of $$ to allocate toward the roster in 2021. I’m aware this team isn’t the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees or Dodgers, but they should have money to spend on at least one more premium player. Not to mention the Encarnacion and Gio Gonzalez team options will likely be declined, saving them another $20 million. Ive read reports that some teams will be desperately trying to shed payroll this winter because of the economic hit COVID had on their budget. The White Sox should take advantage of this as they should still have cushion from the low payroll rebuild years.

Didn’t the Sox make record profits during the 2017, 2018 and 2019 seasons with having very low payrolls? I know the 2020 COVID season hurt every team’s budget at some capacity, but im not buying the Reinsdorf crying poor thing. They still have plenty of $$ to spend on acquisitions, now if they decide to not go ahead and do so, then it’s JR just revealing his #1 priority is actually saving his people $$ and not winning. Even at his very advanced age.

https://twitter.com/phillies/status/1312482866849181696?s=21

Another interesting nugget out of Philly, their GM Klentak just stepped down... ? If I’m Hahn I’m kicking the tires on Harper...

Any chance Philly floats Harper out there or the Brew Crew floats Yelich? I’m assuming the asking price would have to be astronomical... but wondering with COVID impacting every teams budget, if it would be a possibility?

Can Ricky Renteria lead this team to a World Series? I would say a majority of us would say no after they finished a measly 3-10 during the final 13 games of the regular season and wildcard round. Many of those 10 loses could have easily been victories if it weren't for bullpen mismanagement. To me, this is 100% on Renteria. He experimented when he shouldn't have and tried new things in critical situations. These are things managers shouldn't do in a pennant race. Now with that being said, this season was unique and there were injuries to key players. But all teams felt those same things. This roster wasn't complete yet as well. Having only two reliable starters wasn't going to win this team a championship in 2020. However, not giving your two young starters an opportunity to work through some high pressure situations isn't going to add to their confidence moving forward. That was not good messaging. I would 100% look to improve the managerial position this winter. However, we know the White Sox and their patterns of loyalty. Hahn will likely augment the roster and make this team even better for 2021. Renteria will likely stay. And if they once again crash and burn in 2021 and lets say miss the playoffs, or get bounced in a wildcard game/round OR the divisional round-- that justifies a managerial change x 1000. Long story short, we will see RR back for the 2021 season. So hold onto your butts.

I think it’s safe to say EE’s option will he declined. That’s an easy fix- Vaughn and Abreu will fill the DH/1B role in 2021. i personally think the starting pitching addition is an easy fix too. Sign Trevor Bauer. However, this right field dilemma is really standing out for most of us. I think it’s safe to say we are tired of platoons and stop gaps etc... Many of us were hoping Mookie hit free agency with the Sox having a seat at the table. And last year we were hoping for a Bryce Harper signing. But this off-season will be unique as it appears as if RF is the final position player puzzle piece. I don’t want Springer... he was heavily involved in the cheating scandal. And I really want Bauer and we know how he feels about the Astros. lol. Ozuna’s defense scares me, but that dude can still mash. But do they want more one sided players? is there a team on the midst of a rebuild that has a complete CF/RF that may be available via trade? I’m still at a loss here. I do think the Sox will end up re-signing McCann. He holds tremendous value for this lineup and hopefully he is open to take less playing time to stay here. This will be a very important and interesting offseason for Hahn and his staff. He has a lot of trade pieces and not too many holes to fill. A position I haven’t seen this organization be in since the early 2000’s.

Everything about this game was impressive! I’m very pleased with this offense right now. And huge kudos to Dallas K. Dude can pitch!

With the trade deadline being just 12 days away, how do you think Hahn will respond? I do like that Hahn doesn't want to sacrifice young trade chips for one year rentals, however looking at the outfield market in free agency, a trade may be the best option at bolstering the club. Do you think it's possible they look to improve the RF position long term this summer? Or will they wait until winter to improve the roster?

Yep. Looks like we get to see Delmonico in the lineup tomorrow too! ? On a side note, Eloy still looks shaky out in LF, Reynaldo still looks like the batting practice pitcher and the Twins appear to be the way more superior ball club. Is this 2019, the extended version?

Its looking more and more that there will be no 2020 season and there's also a good chance for a strike in 2022. Gosh I hope the Sox can win the World Series in 2021.

That would have been a horrible approach by both teams. You can't control the other 28 teams decision making, so why attempt to make under the table deals with another team in the same market as you? I'm sure the White Sox didn't anticipate San Diego jumping in the mix last minute, but if the White Sox could have had one of Harper or Machado, they should have simply offered the most guaranteed $$. We saw their offer for Machado, was there even a reported offer for Harper? Seeing how things panned out with Moncada at 3b, a Harper deal actually makes more sense than Machado. I guess hindsight is 20-20, but the thought of having an outfield consisting of Eloy, Harper and Robert makes me gitty.

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I do think the odds of Mazara being a one year rental is pretty good as well. So I can see why fans would be a little upset since Pederson plays much better defense and has a better offensive track record.

I know this is the MadBum thread, but Silvy brings up a valid point. Makes no sense that were already "out" on Strasburg. So dumb.

Yes. I'm not a financial expert, but I do know the White Sox have gained a very large profit over the span of this rebuild. The time is now to reinvest in the product on the field. The days of going bargain bin shopping should be over. We've suffered long enough.

According to Forbes, the White Sox are right at #14 in profit value. That screams more mid market than low market to me.

That is what is the frustrating part of this whole process. The White Sox have netted tremendous margins over the last 3 years during this rebuild, yet they refuse to pay top dollar for the big fish. It bothers me that they are not linked to Cole and Strasburg. I really loved the Grandal signing. And I do appreciate that they are in on Wheeler, but whatever happened to "White Sox deserve nice things too"? Go out and spend the damn money!!! Outbid these other knuckleheads. Get the best guys available!! Stop pretending to be a low market team!

What other options do they have? Trade for 1 year of Joc Pederson in an attempt to get into the outragous bidding war for Mookie Betts next off season? We all know how that will end.

Pretty much. Although, I am curious to see what the asking price is for him given he only has one year of control left?

There is a 99.9% chance that the Diamondbacks won’t trade Ketel Marte but just out of curiosity, what do you think it would take to land him?

We STILL deserve nice things too.

Yeah.. I thought sniffing .500 was realistic too. Especially after the fun first half of the season. When they started losing in the 2nd half, all of a sudden I see quotes like "It takes 5 years to build a beautiful house" and "Lets wait until after the off season before we call ourselves playoff ready" IMO with next year being year 4, it should technically equate to year 5 via being all those assets Hahn was able to trade to speed this thing up. If it honestly takes 5 years to sniff the postseason given the rebuild jump start Hahn had, this thing likely has failed. Also, Hahn seems to be questioning himself when he mentions, "lets wait until after the offseason" To me, this does not sound like a confident GM. Does Uncle Jerry really have his hands tied or is Hahn and KW just bad at acquiring premium free agents? 2020 is a big season for everyone involved. This winter is extremely important. Hahn has a lot to prove, he simply can't afford to strikeout two off-seasons in a row.

Yeah. My thoughts exactly. The system is very top heavy and that is a major problem when it comes to wanting to fill out the roster next year or in 2021. Eventually they will have to figure out how to develop these 2nd round or 3rd round picks. Hahn loves referring to critical mass of prospects. But when the upper echelon prospects experience major injuries and the 2nd tier prospects under perform, I don't think critical mass exists.

He was literally pacing back and forth in the dugout like a madman prior to heading out to pitch. Perhaps the spazzyness or nervousness was why his mechanics changed? Something sparked a change in his mechanics . Thanks for calling us stupid though. He we will obviously grow from this start and I’m not worried about him moving forward.