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The drop-off after Tenn, Memphis, Duke, UNC, UCLA, and Kansas is huge. Does anyone really believe a team outside of these 6 has a chance at the NT this year?

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Feb 10, 2008 -> 08:48 AM) When Ron Guenther feels the University needs to apologize, it's pretty clear things aren't going well. I guess I just don't understand why it's so difficult to not do embarrassing things like Frazier's chest bump or Weber not shaking Gordon's hand at the end of the game. As an outsider, to me it makes the program look bad. Probably worse than is actually case. I was more talking about this comment: "whose basketball program is rather "class-challenged" to be politically correct." Coming from a fan whose once proud program hired a known cheater?

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Feb 10, 2008 -> 07:47 AM) Then Richmond will fit right in at Illinois, whose basketball program is rather "class-challenged" to be politically correct. It's too bad Frazier will have graduated before Richmond gets there, otherwise he could teach Richmond how to be a complete jerk to players on the other team as well as players on his own team. From an IU fan. Really, hitless, really?

Heads?

QUOTE(Reddy @ Feb 9, 2008 -> 06:40 AM) guys, as of last night I have now officially played Super Smash Bros. Brawl. and lemme tell ya - it's pretty effing sweet. Do you live in Japan? I'm assuming not, so how? I know a couple publications have called it the greatest game ever, so I'm pretty pumped for it.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 9, 2008 -> 03:40 AM) If I was in charge of security for scientology I would mess with these goofs. I would start by separating my web sites from my production network, it should be from the beginning anyway. Then I would take a version of my site, and hire 10 different hosting facilities around the US to host this. I would set the ttl for my zone to expire every 10 seconds, and then would setup round robin DNS for the resolution for my site. When they attack, it would spread across the 10 sites while my network is not getting touched. After these douches are sending their attacks into the abyss you can put up another site that says COS 1 - Script Kiddies 0. If you really want to have fun, call the FBI and give them permission to tap everyone of these sites as you have received a CyberTerrorism threat. When the FBI catches the script kiddies who run this you can then go back to having your site up, and you can laugh at them in person when they get sentenced. I have no idea in regards to specifics of the situation, but the Anon hackers know what they are doing. I know they've hacked into government resources before, most famously when they hacked into 100s of embasys worldwide at once. But on another note, Anon isn't a group of hackers despite what the media is saying. There are a few, sure, but it's really a group(to use the term loosely) comprised of probably millions of people worldwide who aren't actually anonymous at all. No does this group have any leaders or anything in that regards, which is why it really isn't a group.

I love Anon: http://www.newsweek.com/id/109410 Although all of it is misinformation in that article, it's still funny to see them get front page press on MSNBC. Protests at every Scientology church nationwide on February 10th. I really hope they can bring the church down once and for all, and I believe they will.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Feb 9, 2008 -> 12:18 AM) Chester Frazier, summed up perfectly today on ITH by PostmanE: "Chester Frazier, I truly love you. When you decided to shove Eric Gordon in the pre-game handshake — a fair-play gesture supposedly above the frivolous hatreds people bring to sports — you officially confirmed your d-bag status for life. What’s worse, you’re not even the kind of d-bag one can take seriously, or get mad at. You’re the type of d-bag that’s just so silly and ridiculous that all one has to do about you is laugh. You’re the guy at the HPER who wants to fight everybody. Yeah, Chester. You’re that guy. I hope you enjoy yourself; you’ll never not be that guy for the rest of your tiny little life. Too bad about the ankle, though." pwned. At least make it funny and mention his little man syndrome.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:47 PM) No, it's not. Driving drunk and leaving someone to die is actually much worse. It's like if he took that illegal weapon, fired it randomly and hit someone and then left that person to die. Which probably could have easily happened considering he was 14 years old. Jamar Smith has absolutely no other record on him. By all other accounts outside of this situation, he has been a good person in his life. But while we are all on our high horses here, and I can't say this for sure, Weber seems like the type of guy to let him back on the team because he knew Jamar Smith well enough to know it was a terrible mistake to make. Keyword being mistake. That's at least the perception I get from Weber. He isn't the slimy type. QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:47 PM) I don't want to be hyperbolic, but I agree with whomever said that Weber and the Illinois program make Sampson look classy. Recruiting phone calls against NCAA rules are crap compared to what has happened at Illinois under Weber. The basketball program and the fans that pelted the Gordons and the IU fans with beads and ice and threatened them last night are an absolute embarrassment. Whoops. I'm sure Weber planted those people to throw those beads. IU fans threatened UI fans last night as well, some even taken out by security. That's obviously Sampson's fault, right?

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:39 PM) Let's not talk like it's the Gordon family's fault that this stuff happened. They didn't do anything wrong. Lying to the national media about death threats is wrong IMO. Probably worse than getting a bead thrown at you. It's not like any of this was a surprise. They knew what they were doing by showing up.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:14 PM) Was he a convicted felon who nearly killed somebody else? (not to mention, that somebody else was his own teammate). Maybe not, but being arrested 15 times before the age of 14 and having cocaine and an illegal weapon on you is pretty comparable.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:19 PM) Perhaps, but I mean the same stuff was thrown at the IU fan section sitting down there. It wasn't just the Gordon family being hit with stuff. There were IU fans trying to instigate fights too, and had to be taken out by security(and I'm using message board hearsay here, which seems to be the new trend). Gordon Senior or at least his family should not have been there. However I doubt he could help himself being the attention whore that he seemingly is. And again, who cares anymore? It was a wild atmosphere and stuff is being blown way, way, way, way, way out of proportion. He chest bumped the kid! Oh the humanity! It was one game and we'll all likely never see something quite like it.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 10:03 PM) Did you watch the game? ESPN had their cameras on the Gordon family for like 2 minutes straight with security all around them while Jay Bilas and Pat Forde mentioned fans had hit Mrs. Gordon with a cup of ice as well as crumpled up paper cups. All I heard was the beads, and that's all I'm seeing from any media source, and the Illini boards. I don't really care too much though, it's not going to change anything. The media coverage of this game has been utterly ridiculous. As for Senior Gordon, again, why was he going there in the first place? This fan base threatened his life, remember? Oh wait, his own son called him a liar on that. Really, when you do something like that, just don't show up unless you plan to take a verbal beating.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 09:45 PM) I know at least 3 others threw drinks at them, one hitting a bullseye of Gordon's Mom, and that the orange krush was threatening them through the first overtime, which caused extra security to show up. Link?

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 09:28 PM) I can and will not ever let it go, a convicted felon should not be on scholarship at a land grant public state university to represent it on a national stage for something like basketball. Ever. I still would like somebody to come up with another convicted felon to play in the Big 10, because it's never happened and is a burden of embarssment Illinois will have to live with forever starting this fall. Yes, Gordon and especially Sampson acted poorly in the whole saga, but that is nothing compared to a school supporting felons to play on it's team. And I find it funny that everybody is so sure Sampson will be gone just because Loren Tate and a few insiders (people full of crap on the illini fan boards) say it is potentially true. Sampson is indeed a scumbag, but the Illini fans made him look like a saint last night. I do agree with you doctor that Indiana would have b****ed over the fan behavior last night though no matter what (although I give credit to the Indiana fans here, only one of them showed up and b****ed like a baby), but the Illini fans lame actions last night gave them reason to do so. One drunk threw beads at Gordon Senior after he had flicked them off. So what? Am I missing something? That's all that went wrong with Illini fans last night.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 07:57 AM) Well I'm not BLAMING IU for hiding it, most teams hide injuries you can play through, it's just the nature of the beast. I just think Gordon will continue to struggle (by his standards, only 3-13 from the field tonight) and very few people will know why. And yes I know that law about injuries actually, and now that I think of it, I guess they couldn't tell anybody about Gordon's wrist even if they wanted to. I guess it's just I know most of the stuff that happens with Illinois and NIU athletics, so in that respect I forget about the law often times, lol. As for Soxbadger, he is somewhat right. The problem is, a down year shouldn't mean you are just AWFUL like Illinois. If you have a down year or two and are a just over .500 overall and a couple games under .500 team in league play, and end up in the NIT, then I mean it happens. But to be as bad as Illinois this year can't happen, you have to at least pad your fall when it comes to bad years. I mean, they are going to go in the 12-21 range and be just god awful in the worst Big 10 I've seen in over a decade of watching it closely, that is not acceptable, especially when you played for the big prize only 3 years ago. Why? Other than a couple weeks of practice, there is no difference between the NIT and no NIT. IF they are bad, they are bad, who cares about to what level. The future is already set regardless.

LOL, there's a few crush member on II saying EGSR flicked off the Crush. That's gold.

What does everyone see as a seed for Indiana right now? Lunardi has them at a 5 spot right now, seems a tad bit high. I'm thinking 6?

I'm surprised they showed up considering their lives were once threatened by Illini fans.

QUOTE(He_Gawn @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 01:05 AM) http://forums.illiniboard.com/boards/showp...oops;pid=147714 some posts are starting to get deleted fortunately LOL, that's terrible. And what is the board anyways? I thought Illiniboard was the name of the Scout board until recently?

Also, what does everyone make of the Sampson getting fired rumors? The Sun-Times reported on it today, and they aren't the first major publication to comment on the potential severity of the NCAA sanctions. Interesting stuff here...

QUOTE(He_Gawn @ Feb 8, 2008 -> 12:57 AM) Pretty pumped for the game tonight so I took a stroll over to the Illini board. It really sickens me that about 10 fans are seriously wishing for Gordon to have a career ending injury tonight. I'm glad that all the Illini fans here are very respectful. Good luck tonight and I really think IU will struggle tonight. Prove me wrong boys! Which one? InsideIllini? I was reading that now and see nothing of that... Actually, it's odd that there aren't even too many discussions on the game tonight. I wanted to read up on it.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Feb 6, 2008 -> 04:51 PM) Does Flair just go away, or do you think WWE works him into the show as a mouthpiece or GM role? I'm guessing he'll go away and retire. If he still wanted to be in the business, he'd be wrestling IMO.

QUOTE(MHizzle85 @ Feb 6, 2008 -> 04:22 AM) Is it me or is the booking on the way to Wrestlemania just god awful. They've got a natural feud with a guy that had the longest reign in like the last 20 years who never actually lost his title vs. the guy who's beat everyone in front of him. Instead they'd rather force the No Way Out main event and throw money down the toilet, and have HHH headline 'Mania with Cena. Last time I checked great builds help make the payoff. Orton will beat Cena and be over huge on his way to WM.