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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:58 PM) Obviously the player would know, they have to formulate the appeal. The team might not know though, and it could be for many different reasons. A false positive could set in teams mind that he is a juicer for the next contract negotiations, even if it isn't true. Considering the number of people that supposedly heard about AJ though, it seems hard to believe no one in the front office would have heard/been asked about it until yesterday if this was true.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:54 PM) If he's believable, Brian Sabean says he found out about Melky ~ 24 hours before the suspension became public...I'd guess that means teams aren't informed during an appeal. Thanks for posting, but that makes Mully's source seem even more legit/accurate then.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:48 PM) So does that mean teams aren't told if their players have tested positive until after the appeals process? I thought they do know about it, as the Giants had been trying to trade for another outfielder when they knew Melky was going to be out.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:31 AM) I really hope Phegley turned the corner. He's been murdering the ball the last month. Seems like there's a chance he'll get a chance in the majors coming up in the next 10 days or so

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 03:06 AM) Still bad idea. This lineup could desperately use Quentin's bat. H was the closest think the Sox had to a #3 hitter. Rios is a prototypical 3rd hitter

QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:48 AM) That certainly wouldn't bode well for the final 26 games... Well, AJ hasn't contributed anything the past two weeks or so. Hey Tyler, if you want the starting job next year, the table is set.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:43 AM) The pitchers like Flowers as a receiver and calling pitches behind the plate. His defense is pretty good and has some pop in his bat. I think with regular ABs he can start to get better. He is no where near what AJ is. But here is another though. Maybe the way the sox have played in the last week or so is playing tight knowing that this was coming down. Absolutely, and on August 22nd when Colon was busted, I thought Konerko's comments about PEDs was very interesting. He said something along the lines of "people sometimes take things they didn't know could get them in trouble". To me, it raised some red flags and being the pessimist I am, it worried me someone on the Sox could be in trouble.

If this is true, who here thinks the Sox can keep their focus and finish the season strong? Something that does hurt if he's out is having to make Flowers face 3 or 4 very tough righties against the Tigers next week.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:35 AM) We had Pablo 2005* Yeah, that Red Sox team they beat in the ALDS and the Astros team in the WS were 100% clean

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:26 AM) At least some other team wouldn't have won a ton of games thanks to a suspended guy. Giants, As get that treatment already. White Sox/Giants World Series!!

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:17 AM) I lick the Listen Live and get that Yahoo Sports stream. Is there a sporting even on the SCORE right now? That's the only reason I can think of not getting it. NFL game on the Score

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 01:13 AM) Ok I'll say it. If this is true I don't want to make the playoffs this year. I'm extremely conflicted with this. If he was the only player to get in trouble this year, I'd tend to agree with you. However, before knowing of this situation, I wasn't watching Giants games thinking "they don't deserve to make it due to Melky getting busted". It would be a complete blow to the legacy of AJ and would really hurt his reputation with White Sox fans for a very long time. You know he'll sign with the Marlins this offseason

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:10 AM) 2005* Disagree, as if this is true, it seems much more likely it was an enhancer to try and get one more big contract. If he was taking since 2005, why the sudden boost in home runs all of a sudden this year?

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:08 AM) Or this is all untrue. That seems very unlikely now

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 02:04 AM) Other than Mauer, were there many clear upgrades to be had over Flowers? Might as well see what we have in Flowers at this point. Not to start over Flowers, but to be the back-up catcher. I doubt the AAA guys in Phegley and Gimenez are going to be trusted much the rest of the way.

If Kenny knew this was a possibility a few weeks ago, I'm surprised he didn't try to get another catcher on waivers. Sox better hope Flowers' wife isn't having more kids the next month.

IIRC, the ESPN announcers last night said Quentin has a tough time even playing two straight games cause of his knees. I loved watching Quentin bat, but I completely understand why they got rid of him.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:47 PM) I'm sure the rumors are swirling around the ballpark after they've been posted on the two biggest Sox related message boards all day. Say they were to have a press conference tomorrow at the Cell (I know they're not typically announced at a press conference, but it doesn't mean KW can't hold one). If there was a press conference, maybe it's workers there trying to connect the dots??

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:18 PM) +1 I love A.J. but if this turns out to be true, I'm done with him. I have no respect what-so-ever for players that use PED's. Well, he'd be done with the Sox IF this is true so I think it would make it easier to never cheer for him again.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) I'm hearing that he failed the test 2 weeks ago. There will be a press conference tomorrow where his suspension will be made official. Makes sense since they just brought up Gimenez. Not saying I don't believe you, but bringing up Gimenez would have happened no matter what due to the September callup deadline.

Peavy with a huge start for the Sox today. Go Indians and rumors being proven false!

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:03 PM) About a week ago I heard the Score playing excepts from the angel himself, Victor Conte, who IIRC said there were another 1-2 players who would be identified later as they were currently going through the appeals process. If anyone flaps his gums more than Victor Conte I'd be surprised. That's probably the origin, maybe this is 2nd or 3rd hand from there. Does Conte know AJ from his San Fran days? I thought AJ was involved in some manner in the Balco trial.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 07:48 PM) Jake making it interesting and getting out of it, again. At 107 pitches...likely will try to finish this game

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 07:44 PM) He heard the rumor but couldn't confirm it. Just like you heard the rumor. He hears a lot of things that aren't true. There's a good chance if it were true, someone would have put it in ink by now. You would think if he heard this story a week ago, it would have been his primary focus to find out more information. It would be one of the bigger stories involving the Sox in a decade.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 07:35 PM) The offense needs to wake up. If you let this Twins team hang around, they can find a way to beat you. +1