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QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 04:23 PM) A year ago, we were looking at this offseason with a whole bunch of old guys looking at a cliff we were about to jump off after 09 when the old guys are no longer under contract and our minor leagues had nothing to provide. We resign Uribe, and all looks lost. Then some moves start to happen. Now we look like we are reloading with some talent. We have enough depth now in the middle infield that someone should stick. It also gives us chits to spend when it comes to trade. If we had this type of talent in our system last year, we would have Cabrera on our team. Its not about having a great minor league system over a great major league system its about that once again teams value cheap talent under control over expensive free agents. I would rather have a medicore year this year, and reload for a very long run of top notch baseball. Over the status quo of overvaluing the fact that we won the division in a down year. I think my comments dealt with people who are clamoring to trade Jenks for anyone listed on the AFL top 20 rankings, etc. I totally understand trading Vazquez, as there was no chance he was coming back after Ozzie called him out. I'd rather see the Sox hold on to Dye, as his production is so underrated.

PEAVY WOULD NEVER ACCEPT A TRADE TO THE WHITE SOX! He's already declined a potential trade to an AL team in a small ballpark.

QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 05:18 PM) We werent going to make the playoffs with the same core of players anyways, im more than willing to sacrafice one down season if it means many future good ones rather than a constantly 2nd/3rd place team. We weren't? With the return of Quentin and a possible upgrade at CF or 2B, this team would be up there with anyone else in the division. And sacrificing seasons is not something that KW and Ozzie are fit to do. Not only that, but our fan base won't be too happy with the organization if they do go into rebuilding mode.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 05:12 PM) With Jenks, Dye and Konerko all being put on the market, though, it certainly makes for a very entertaing and surprising offseason filled with suspense and intrigue. And questions about whether or not KW's interested in competing in 2009. I swear there's some posters on here who'd rather have a highly ranked farm system than a competitive major league team. KW's improved the depth in this organization, but now it's time for him to start collecting legitimate 2009 MLB starting players.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 04:25 AM) Lillibridge has to be the favorite to be the starting 2B at this point, one would assume...Betemit's a defensive liability it seems as an everyday player, Nix has a ton to prove at the MLB level and so does Getz. What in the world did Lillibridge do last year to make someone even think he'd be the starter over the other 3 guys?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 04:22 AM) Just curious....playing Devil's Advocate on KW. Would anyone take back Chris Young to be the everyday starting CFer (maybe we signed Furcal too to hit leadoff, don't really want Young there)...for this package we have just received? Would you rather have 3-4 fairly promising players/prospects/suspects or YOUNG? Discuss at your own convenience. Considering how awful our CF position has been the last few years, I'd take Young back for this package we received today.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 05:19 AM) I would just like to say for the record that I hate this deal. I saw almost every one of Bailey's start last year, and his velocity was nowhere near the levels I had heard it was when he pitched in the minors. Unless we have some sort of info that Bailey was pitching hurt last season, count me out on this deal. Yep, I think a lot of people clamoring for this deal have bought into the hype with Bailey and haven't actually seen him pitch before.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 04:49 AM) I think he signs for 2 years 18 mil with an option. Is this a guess?

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 03:53 AM) Has rotoworld ever said the White Sox got the better in a deal?? I mean praise the Braves for getting Javy, have they watched anything outside of his Strikeout ratio. Nope, their editors HATE Kenny

In all, I'm surprised that the Braves were willing to give up Flowers for anyone not named Peavy. On the other hand, I'm disappointed that KW views Lillibridge so highly, especially after acquiring Betemit last month. KW really has his work cut out for him, as this team might need a new 2b, 3b, CF, and SP.

QUOTE (G&T @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 03:49 AM) Homer Bailey anyone? I think Charlotte is set for next year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 02:40 AM) Any ideas on what he might use that money on, Fathom? No idea, but I've thought for weeks now we're the mysterious team that it's on Furcal. However, we have a huge glaring hole in the starting rotation now.

I like Flowers a lot, and have heard nothing but terrible things about how Lillibridge looked this season. It will be nice if the other two players involved are top 10-15 prospects in our system. KW better use this freed up money though.

Nothing official, this was from last night.

If Orton struggles at home next week, fans better boo the crap out of him like they've done to Rex.

Time to bench Orton....as bad of a performance as you could imagine.

What a beautiful play to start the 4th quarter...not!

Orton with one of the worst passes I've ever seen. He really throws a horrible deep ball.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Dec 1, 2008 -> 04:09 AM) The past 3 games he has been extremely medicore. He has 2 TD's and hasn't thrown for over 135 yards in the past 3. Awful. He's been terrible at avoiding the rush tonight also.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Dec 1, 2008 -> 03:03 AM) Lovie Smith should be shot. Why would he OK the FB dive on the goal line? You could watch Minnesota, St. Louis, and San Diego all year and you wouldn't see them give it to their FB AT ALL on the goal line. Now, Orton has been terrible and he should have completed that pass to Olsen on the goal line when he beat 2 guys, but WTF. How dare you criticize the savior and his 5-16 first half!

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 1, 2008 -> 03:50 AM) Well, at least they couldn't happen to a worse group of guys. The metrodome is just not a cool place, this one is over. Yep, besides Forte and G-reg, this has to be the most unlikeable Bears team in a long time.

Wow, what a collapse.

Just bench Peanut please

Wow, that's 3 terrible drops by the Bears today.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 1, 2008 -> 03:36 AM) They aren't going anywhere for a while and neither is Angelo. The Bears would never pay the price of firing those people, so get used to it. That was a shockingly pathetic turn of events, I haven't seen the Bears give up a 99 yard TD since Robert Brooks back when I was a little kid. If the Bears don't make the playoffs, I can't imagine how Babich will keep his job.