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We need to get our offense rolling again.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) Flash you couldn't possibly be overreacting more. I know this is a pet peeve of yours but saying the minor league pitching is completely destroyed because they traded Tyler Lumsden and Daniel Cortes is flat out wrong. All you have to do is go to Baseball America and look at all the affiliates and also their draft lists over the past 2-3 years. Now you may not see anything you personally are enamored of because apparantly anything less than Liriano will fit the bill for you, but that doesn't really matter now does it. What does matter is if Sox brass continues to either plug these guys in, or moves them for useful major league pieces. For me, the minor leagues aren't as important as they were a few years ago. Winning has led to more attendance, and we're now able to have our payroll help us fill holes more. As long as JR is spending money, I have no problem with KW trading prospects for major league ready players. Everyone in baseball knows that our window is 2005-2007.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 11:18 PM) I just find it funny when people say they have sources but than one person's source goes against someone elses.... I have quite a few sources that I can get a tidbit of information from once in a while. The one thing I can promise is that I'm being 100 pct honest in what I hear. If the information ends up being false, then there's nothing I can do about it. I think some people would be surprised about where the wrong information ends up coming from or what really happened behind the scenes. I know people have jumped all over me for saying Ozzie said that Tracey would never pitch for his team again. Who knows what really happened between the conversation he had with a minor league coach and last week.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 10:31 PM) Wow, sort of pissed I missed all the fun today. The only, only, only way I do this deal is this. 1. The package would be Mac and Pods for Soriano and a guy like Tony Armas or a guy that can step in as a 4th or 5th starter if need be 2. A deal needs to be worked out in the next 24 hours for a long term contract. Thats the only way I would want this to take place. My thoughts exactly. Unless you're sure you can re-sign Soriano, you don't trade McCarthy. I don't think KW would give away McCarthy for a 2 month rental, as doing so would give us no leverage this offseason in trying to trade a starting pitcher. If you do this trade, Uncle Jerry better be ready to have a payroll in the 110 million range.

FWIW, I just asked the source about the information again, and he was sure of the Soriano jersey statement, but wasn't 100 pct sure about the no-trade clause.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 10:06 PM) WTF give it to him. If we don't get him over a no-trade clause I will be pissed. Since I have no clue how accurate this information is, I'm not going to get upset about it. The person who told me has a friend within the Sox organization who helps with merchandise.

I just received information that leads me to believe this deal was very close to happening, but the Sox backed out when they couldn't get Soriano to agree to not having a no-trade clause for his full contract extension. In no way is this information confirmed, but there were members of the Sox organization who were told to order Soriano Sox jerseys today.

QUOTE(soxpride77 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) But who do we flip him for? Soriano is an A+ player, I don't know who we would get that is better than or equal to him. Yep, it doesn't make sense at all. McCarthy's about as good of a young pitcher as you can seriously consider to get in a deal like this. I sure hope KW knows what he's doing....and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

If we trade for Soriano, there's no way in hell we're going to flip him for someone else. That type of trade would make no sense, especially after we got MacDougal today. There's no one that Seattle could realistically trade us that would make up for giving away a potential starting pitcher in McCarthy. I believe KW is going by the belief that if you can't upgrade your pitching, then upgrade your offense. Going from Pods to Soriano is an amazing offensive upgrade.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) Yes, I do. Kenny wants another title BADLY. I'll be sick if we lose Brandon. He's gonna be to us what Liriano, Verlander and Weaver have been to the Twins, Tigers, and Angels. I like McCarthy a lot, but he's nowhere near the caliber of those guys.

How many years does MacDougal have left before free agency? These two pitchers are an awful lot to give up for someone who can't stay healthy and can't get hitters out consistently.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:15 PM) better not be Tyler 99 pct sure it is

If we have to give up either Fields or Broadway, along with McCarthy, in order to get Soriano, we better be sure we can re-sign him for the future.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:14 PM) Score reported we just aqquired McDougal for 2 minor leaguers. Ugh...MacDougal is always hurt...and not very good. He'll drive us nuts.

If we trade McCarthy for Soriano, I have little doubt that we would then re-sign Soriano to a contract extension. It would answer our LF/leadoff position hole that we have ever since Pods injury situation last year made him into a mediocre player.

QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 01:40 PM) Another thread got me thinking about this just now. The 4/7 game at KC really had my blood boiling for sure. There was a crosstown classic game, with Manuel managing, and he inexplicably removed Colon who was just CRUISING and the bullpen blew the game in the bottom of the 8th I hate managers who inexplicably remove their starting pitcher when they say they're done. You say you had a problem with Manuel taking out a self-proclaimed "done" Colon, yet you argue that Guillen should have pulled Vazquez after the 5th inning against the Tigers in a game he was CRUISING?

Garcia is exactly the type of pitcher that the Yankees could use right now.

Phil Rogers is making his case for why the Cubs should trade ARam and J. Jones for ARod. We don't have the pieces to trade the Yanks to get ARod, as we don't have a 3rd baseman to give back (we'd be trading ARod to play SS). Personally, I think Tejada would be so much of a better "blockbuster" guy to try and trade for.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:52 AM) Did anyone else notice the lack of enthusiasm in Garland's demeanor in the throw? Some people are saying, "Sometimes you miss, blah blah blah, he tried," but I thought it was clear in his demeanor that he wasn't trying very hard, and wouldn't mind missing. Jon Garland never shows enthusiasm on the mound. It's been something that's frustrated a lot of Sox fans over the year. Judging by where the two pitches ended up, there's no doubt that Garland tried his best to hit Kinsler in the leg.

I couldn't agree more. Tomorrow's game is huge for us. You don't want to lose the first game, and then have Santana lurking in game 2.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:17 AM) YEAH!!!!!!! HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!! WOO-HOO!!! We just won the Series!!! We've played about as bad as possible, against the toughest stretch of our schedule, and we still have a 2.5 lead in the Wild Card. We could be in a hell of a lot worse position than we are right now.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:12 AM) Listening to Farmer and Singelton on XM today it sounded like Ozzie was telling Jon Garland that he din't want him hitting anyone and that the Sox needed him. If in fact Garland was going after the hitter at least he was showing support for his team. I don't think Ozzie was yelling at Garland for NOT hitting the guy. What is everyone elses take on it? Of course Garland was told to hit the batter. Any talk about it being otherwise is just trying to make it look like our pitcher wasn't ordered to throw at someone (and save face with MLB).

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:09 AM) But this is certainly Kenny's style. Keep trading to get back players you've once had. Has Alomar Jr. passed Carl Everett's record yet? Or maybe to bring in players that you know will be a strong force in your clubhouse and be a professional on and off the field.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:08 AM) Uribe is safe. Maybe Podsednik isn't, but there's no way Uribe is going to go. Was the Garland-berating shown on Sportscenter? It'll probably be on BBTN or on Sportscenter later, right? Uh, I'd intended to post that about Garland in the Sox Catch-All, but accidentally clicked this, so I'll just leave it unless someone else decides it's better elsewhere. Yes, I saw the Garland clip again on SprotsCenter earlier. They showed a brief clip of it, and you see Dye/Thome walking closer to it in order to break it up if needed.

I think it's safe to say that no one is safe on this roster right now. For some crazy reason, I think that KW's comments about forgetting about 2005 were directed at either our LF or SS.