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I was reading it the other day, and Cunningham and Broadway were the two they praised the most. There were some good words about Getz as well.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 01:39 AM) He had a great year catching the ball defensively, but its understandable how he didn't win the GG. I think he'll take what he got. I couldn't agree more about him accepting what he got. I'll remember Uribe's incredible defense in Game 4 a hell of a lot longer than I will remember whether or not any of them won the Gold Glove. One thing I'll give Rowand a lot of credit for this year is he picked his leadership ability up. You can tell he's one of the guys that a lot of other players look up to.

QUOTE(JimH @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 11:38 PM) I would consider this another in a long line of your occasionally whimsical exaggerations. Extremely poor? Yes, his arm was awful this year compared to how he was throwing the previous few seasons. Rowand seemed to struggle getting enough air on his throws home this season, and they ended up getting slowed down far too often by the infield grass. I just remember Rowand's arm being a lot stronger/accurate in previous seasons. Like I said, there's no comparison between his arm and that of guys like Kotsay, Ichiro, Hunter, etc.

QUOTE(joeynach @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 11:05 PM) Your are right that is the biggest joke I have ever seen. Obviously whoever votes didn't even slightly do their homework. Not only did Hunter only play 93 games, but he didn't even have the highest Fielding % at his position in those games, had a .987%, ROWAND HAD A .992%. What a disrespectful slap in the face and sox fans, rowand, ozzie, and the sox brass should take it personal. Who cares what the fielding percentage is. Rowand didn't even get errors on some of his biggest blunders this season (basically, whenever Jenks was on the mound). Rowand had a very solid year in the field, but I don't think he deserved the Gold Glove. His arm was extremely poor/inaccurate this season. Compare his arm to the likes of Wells, Kotsay, Hunter, and Ichiro, and it's no contest. Rowand is an above average defensive outfielder, but I'm not going to lose sleep over him not winning the Gold Glove. Our best defensive player this season was Juan Uribe, and it's not even close in my book. Crede could have been in consideration, but he had a real rough defensive stretch after the Manny error.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 11:17 PM) The Reds and Brewers were 17th and 21st, respectively, in terms of BB/K ratio. The Sox were 26th. Both NL teams also had higher OBP numbers despite using a pitcher for the majority of their games. Look at the control pitchers in the AL Central compared to the NL Central. And one of the big reasons for the Reds walk total is the eye of Dunn. I'm talking more about the approach Dunn has at the plate. He doesn't cut down on his swing in big situations, and still swings for the fences. This is the type of thing that an organizational philosophy might try to change. Also, I find it funny that people don't think we should trade a starting pitcher for someone that struggles vs lhp. If I recall correctly, Ozzie didn't even start Pods all the time vs lhp (mainly, vs Johan Santana). I love what the 2005 White Sox did and the chemistry the team had, but let's not overestimate the ability of every single player. If this team happens to lose 1 or 2 core players this offseason, I'm very confident that KW will be able to pick up another player to fill that gap. I don't think I'm in the minority when I say that in order for the success to continue, the offense is going to need better next season.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 09:51 PM) Since when does trying to park every pitch in the outfield bleachers qualify as a better approach? While I will admit our hitting improved in the playoffs, our approach throughout most of the year was awful. Compared to the Brewers and Reds, we definitely have a better approach at the plate in terms of being an overall hitter.

QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 09:10 PM) Juan deserved it more :| I'll gladly cheer for the trophy that Uribe's defense brought to the Sox!

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) Cause he hits under .250, that's why I personally don't like the guy that much. I guarantee you that he would hit better on a team with a better approach at the plate. Just like with Pods in Milwaukee, the Reds are not a team that stress focused at-bats at the plate. Dunn would also greatly benefit by not facing the strike out pitchers of the NL Central on a regular basis.

The only way I'd consider trading a starting pitcher (a main one, not Duque), is if you got a superstar offensive player in return. 3 examples of guys that I'd trade for are Teixeira, Dunn, and Ichiro. Contreras is the clear choice for the guy who would be the best trade chip, as his value will NEVER be higher.

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 04:48 PM) Except for the fact that Huff is in the last season of his contract and his value will go down every day during the season. He won't get much more than a prospect in a deadline deal. No way does Huff return to TB after 2006. Very rarely do you get a starting pitcher and a player who plays a premium defensive position for a DH type. If all they're asking for is a mediocre starting pitcher with a pretty big sized contract and injury history, as well as a below average hitting CF....then every team in baseball will be in the market to get Huff. The last thing the DRays are going to try to get is an outfielder in exchange for Huff. What good would getting Duque do for them? They're not going to try and compete for next year. They'd want a starting pitcher who's young and that they can have for a handful of years prior to free agency.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) Is this the same Tampa Bay that can never make a trade during the Trade Deadline because they overvalue all of their players? Yet they are going to trade Huff and a reliever for Rowand and El Duque...funny stuff They do have a new General Manager, but unless that GM is a 3 yr old girl, I don't think anyone on this planet would do that trade.

QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 03:37 PM) didn't arow come all the way from center and end up making that play? That's a different game. This was with 2 outs in the 9th, and then Crisp hit a chop double over PK's head. Hermanson retired Hafner to end the game. I've never seen someone end up missing a ball by as much as Pods did on that play.

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 03:33 PM) You've got to get more than a lefty reliever for Rowand. I wouldn't mind the Sox packaging Rowand and El Duque to pick up Aubrey Huff + a reliever from Tampa. Tampa would laugh in our face at that deal. They already have a plethora of young outfielders, and they're not going to trade their main bargaining chip for two below average players.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 03:28 PM) They both deserved it. PK and Frank do not. And never will. Sometimes it's better to be the bigger man, and just thank the players for their service with the organization. Ordonez and Lee were two of the best offensive players in Sox history. I don't think I was the only one disappointed in how the Sox seemed to take the scorned lover approach last offseason in regards to those guys.

I'm not accusing him, but I think MLB executives would like to see Rowand put up better offensive numbers in a post-2004 baseball era before they start trading away important pieces of their franchise.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 03:26 PM) I'll see if I can find the article, although I'm not sure which paper it was in. I remember hearing about the story. I think we can all agree that if someone like Frank or PK doesn't come back, that we'd much rather see articles praising them for their time with the Sox instead of the basic smear campaign that happened with Ordonez and CLee last year.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Pods takes bad angles in the outfield but he still gets to way more balls than Carlos Lee would ever imagine getting to. Pods gets to more balls to the left and right of him, but Carlos was better on deep fly balls as well as charging the ball to get a throw off quicker. Basically, neither of them should expect a call on the day the Gold Glove is announced.

With Lee's fly ball tendencies, the Red Sox should be all over him when he becomes a FA. The short porch would also improve his defense (even though he's just as good as Pods is in the field if you ask me).

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 05:40 AM) How the f*** do you know that? There's not a single high-major team that runs a 100 pct clean program. Just from the colleges I went to undergrad/grad school for, I could tell you more than enough to get both schools put on probation for decades. It happens EVERYWHERE!

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 03:02 PM) Just say no... To Ichiro. And why's that? Don't forget what impact he has on the Japanese market. One of the main reasons that Seattle has had great attendance, even in down years, is that Ichiro is a huge drawing card. You put him and Iguchi on the same team, and you'd have quite the marketing opportunity. Also...wouldn't it be fun to see Hawk just mix their names left and right? Maybe we could add So Taguchi also as our back-up outfielder.

I'd trade Pods, along with others, for Ichiro in a heartbeat.

Chris Young could hit a walk-off grand slam in Game 7 of the 2008 World Series, and it would never match my excitement level that took place when PK hit that slam in Game 2, etc. The first is definitely the sweetest and the best. Now, it's time for the White Sox to continue to be an ass-kicking machine with a loaded pitching staff.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 02:15 AM) How do you know this? What is his ankle heals fine, just like it is being reported? A man with Frank's size doesn't just drastically recover from two major injuries like that to be 100 pct. He even talked this season about how he could barely run, and how much it hurt him. I think we're fooling ourselves to think he can be as healthy as a 25 year old player. If KW brings him back next season, he better have a contingency plan if Thomas gets hurt again.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 02:09 AM) If all works out Frank will be 100% going into next year..... he was a ? this season anyways and everyone knew that.... now he should be ready to go for spring training. He's never going to be 100 pct again. At best, he'll be able to play 5 times a week.

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