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QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 05:52 AM) Didn't someone once hit an infield home run way back in the day? Or is that just a legend? It was in the Babe Ruth movie starring John Goodman but really seems nearly impossible to hit a popup so high that one would be able to round the bases. But that is the stuff of legends which is the point.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Mar 14, 2013 -> 01:08 AM) Is Gillaspie hitting himself into a starting 3B gig? No that's Keppinger's to lose but he certainly is ranked among the favorites to make the team otherwise we lose him.

QUOTE (southside_hitman @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) Do you have 4G? I always wondered if 4G has enough bandwidth to stream stuff, play on-line vid games, etc. No I just use a pc and had no problems getting it last year until landlord screwed me over recently Only getting 2 out of 5 bars when used to get 5 of 5. Just as I was looking forward to the webcasts. Only getting a max of 5.5mbps and often goes to 2 and 1.

QUOTE (southside_hitman @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 01:17 PM) Pope blacked it out but it's back up now. today was a test to see if my wireless signal was strong enough to get it. I got it now but its stopping and starting so maybe not strong enough .

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 13, 2013 -> 01:09 PM) 1-2-3 inning for Rienzo. I don't see video up yet. me neither. does any one ?

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) Players left to be booted (in my opinion): Pitchers: Axelrod, Heath, Marinez, Omogrosso, Rienzo, Septimo, Gray, Moskos, Purcey, Stewart, Troncoso Catchers: Phegley, Anderson Infield: Morel, Bell, C Sanchez, Tolleson Outfield: Danks, Tekotte, Mitchell Drew Garcia (3B) is still around.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) Sale still out there for the 6th? Wow. Not any more. Y. Torrealba HR, T. Colvin single. Jones in.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) Nope. I think the bench is pretty much set- Gimenez, Sanchez, Wise, and Gillaspie. First callup between Tekotte and Danks? I'd go Tekotte. Mitchell having a really good spring. If his first few months at AAA go well. He could be next though we don't want him wasting away on the bench. OTOH he's a dynamic ballplayer. Sale 5 IP, Faced the minimum, 2K's

Everyone take note: Gillaspie pronounced Gillespie from Conor's own mouth.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 02:54 AM) Part of my reasoning to trade De Aza is to so while he still has good value. I don't think he'll be worth the cost long-term, especially in a corner, so if we can move him after the 2013 season while he he still has two arb years left, a team desperate for a leadoff hitter and/or CF may give up something of value for him. At some point, if we want to make the most of the asset, we either need to resign or trade him. And everyday we hold on to him and burn up his arb years the less valuable he becomes. I think it's extremely difficult to define a players future value. I understand that using advanced stats we'd like to think we can make this more scientific and easier to quantify a players skill set, but it is just not that cut and dried. I know a team like Tampa Bay has made the most out of what you are suggesting but they have not won a World Series yet and that is the most valuable thing of all. Right now and probably next year too DeAza is more valuable to the Sox winning then any of their prospects unless said prospects suddenly have dramatic increases in their production. Again I'd love to see your scenario come to fruition but if the Sox get to the World Series in the next year or 2 I think De Aza has a better chance to be a World Series hero than Thompson. That is the future value I am looking for.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Mar 9, 2013 -> 03:54 AM) My mock thread was taken down Oh well, I think the point got across. As it should have been. I don't think it's ever a good idea to mock other posters. There's been a dearth of topics to discuss here lately. Constant mocking of people who start new threads is detrimental to this sight. I come here to discuss White Sox baseball. We are all not equal in our knowledge of the Sox and mocking and berating new members or posters reeks of bullying. While I still come here often I often leave more quickly when there is nothing to read and go to places like southsidesox, whitesox.com or twitter for better and fresher info. The game threads here are much better than at southsidesox though where they rarely discuss the games while they try to out-smarmy each other. My choice is to read and discuss baseball. Any place that starts to belittle the less knowledgeable instead of educate loses me quickly.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2013 -> 03:51 PM) I actually disagree with your entire post. 1) I said if Thompson shows he's ready after the 2013 season, then I'd trade De Aza to open up a spot for Thompson. I'm definitely not saying he's ready now and I'm not even saying he will be ready after this season. My idea was simply conditional on his readiness. However, if you followed his development last year, you'd know Thompson was a much improved player in the 2nd half of his stint at A+ and while at AA. If he plays like that player this year, he'll be ready for the majors by 2014. 2) I still have hope for Mitchell, but I think Thompson actually passed him in term of development this past season. Thompson actually made adjustments offensively and improved as the year went on, while Mitchell started out fast but struggled significantly the rest of the year. Given the clear edge Thompson has defensively, I think Thompson has a much better chance of earning a job in our outfield in 2014 than Mitchell. 3) Mitchell doesn't have to hit .280 to be an effective player. He needs keep his walk rate high (~15%) first and foremost, without letting his K% rate get too crazy (over 30%). If he can do that, with his mix of speed and power, he could be very a dangerous leadoff hitter despite a low BA. Whether he can do that against advanced pitching remains to be seen, but if you're hoping he hits .280 you simply don't understand the type of player Jared Mitchell. 4) This is the point that bothers me the most. De Aza isn't that great of a player. He put up a .759 OPS last year and wasn't anything special in CF. Plus his SB % wasn't very good. Look, I think he's solid leadoff hitter and all-around player, since he can do a little bit of everything at a premium position. However, I think all four of our top OF prospects have higher ceilings than De Aza, but I'm just going to focus on one. IMO, given the value of Thompson's defense in CF, it won't take much offense from him to exceed De Aza's value as a player. And that's completely ignoring the fact that he's already demonstrated elite power and above average BB % as a 21 year old in A+ & AA. To think he has no chance of ever coming close to being De Az caliber player is crazy to me. What exactly do you expect Thompson to do to show he's ready for a full time job in CF in 2014 ? He'll be starting the year at AA and would have to move to AAA and perform well in both places to even consider handing over CF to him in 2014. Most likely we're looking at 2015 unless he puts up some really good numbers. I still call that no where close to ready. And I didn't say he had "no chance of ever coming close to being" as good as De Aza so of course you'd think that was crazy. I said the Sox would be lucky if any of those prospects come close to being as good as De Aza. I understand they all have higher ceilings but so do tons of prospects and as a Sox fan I hope they all reach those ceilings because Thompson surely has the highest one if he can cut back on his K's . De Aza played his 1st full season in the majors and he surely can be a better player than he is now. He's more than adequate in CF even if it isn't his position of choice. So lets say Thompson is ready for 2014 De Aza can be moved to LF . Lets face it Viciedo won't be there more than a few years anyway when Konerko retires so he'll be playing 1st base or DH'ing barring a trade. As far as Mitchell goes I threw an arbitrary number out for what I'd like to see his batting average be thinking everything else ( power, K% OBP ,slugging) would improve if he does that. Mitchell will start the year at AAA so everything else being equal ( which you don't think is the case ) I'd still say Mitchell is closer to major league ready. I just think all prospects are suspect until they get to the bigs and show me something there which De Aza has already done. I also think it's kind of crazy suggesting a trade down the road since so many things can happen between now and then. All your points are certainly valid but a year or 2 from now the Sox may not have any of the players we're discussing.

Seriously, can we bottle what Chris Sale said about his new contract and let the rest of the superstars drink it ? "My dad sat me down, I was talking on the phone and he goes, 'Honestly, take a step back and look at it. What other team would you rather play for? What owner would you rather play for? Coaching staff would you rather play for?' I got everything I want right here." http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2013 -> 08:15 AM) I personally think if Trayce Thompson shows that he's ready this year, then you trade De Aza in the offseason and go with Thompson in CF. All the scouting reports rave about his defense in CF and his bat would more valuable there. Obviously you'd be down another left-handed bat and a leadoff hitter, but you could try to address those needs at other positions. I just think at some point we'll need to make room for some of these young OFs and De Aza is a guy who get you a nice return if he has another solid year. Thompson is nowhere close to ready . Mitchell is the only one who looks like he can be ready but that's if he puts together a solid season at AAA where he improves his average somewhere above .280 which he hasn't even come close to doing for a full season yet. The Sox will be lucky if any of the prospects in the outfield can even come close to being how good De Aza is.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 8, 2013 -> 04:23 AM) He's only important for the 19 games vs. Detroit to face Prince, and those don't start til the second half, so he has time to heal. Veal

De Aza contributing to DR 9-3 win over Venezuela , 2-4 with a double and 2 RBI from the 9 hole.

OTOH SOX pitching looked good. Floyd ,Santiago, Thornton, And Jones all held Team USA regulars scoreless. Sox also substituted minor leaguer's much earlier and Snodgress gave up the last 2 Team USA runs in the 8th inning.

Sox collected 13 hits against Team USA and should have won. Squandered quite a few men on 1st and 3rd and 2nd and 3rd with less then 2 outs possibilities in every way imaginable. There was a pop out , a line out, a K, a GiDP and a FODP. Beckham came through with a 2 out base hit after one of those situations but Viciedo was thrown out at home.

Rienzo didn't look bad against Cuban though he got the lose. Gave up only one hit through 4+ innings but 4 walks and 1 K. He looked kind of mouthy with the home plate ump too.

It seems the bigger point is the Sox pitching is consistently unrated for a hitters ballpark. Article on Quintana's off season http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/white-sox-t...esses-white-sox

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 22, 2013 -> 02:08 PM) I wouldn't say Morel plays more positions any more than I'd say this guy has. Neither one has done so in a number of y ears. You'll see Morel at different positions this spring . 2nd base surely, SS maybe just so u can't auto put Angel Sanchez on the 25 .

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 22, 2013 -> 01:17 PM) If they were just "Hedging their bets" they wouldn't have traded something useful for a guy out of options. He's on the roster and Morel is in AAA until further notice. Hedging their bets because they want competition. Morel is more versatile. Plays more positions but has history of back problems. Keppinger coming off broken leg now has sore shoulder. If neither able to play Sox have at least a AAAA replacement.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2013 -> 10:30 AM) It also has a lot to do with what they think of Brent Morel if you ask me. It's just hedging their bets is all. You just can't count on a back being stable though Morel feels good now. How he holds up is key.

Morel RBI double, Tekotte RBI triple , Rienzo K's Viciedo and Flowers are pretty much the only details I can find but i haven't searched twitter.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Feb 21, 2013 -> 09:04 AM) No one wants to just hand Morel the 3rd base job; and spring stats, while a factor, don't have as much to do with it as how his back is feeling. Personaly, I'll let Rick Hahn, Robin Ventura, Herm Schneider and the rest of the Sox brain trust decide who plays 3rd base, mainly because they know a lot more than any of us here do. Even though it is a small chance, I hope that Morels back is completely healed and he becomes a solid 3rd baseman, offensively & defensively for years to come. I'm just happy there's an actual baseball discussion going on. This place has been dead. Morel actually sounds delirious when talking about how good he feels right now. I hope it continues and he can show us the real Morel for better or worse.