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Still would've lost betting on Colson. No one is beating Nick Kurtz. Hes a lock at this point of the season.

I understand your pain but you know you still care because you're here. And you should care too that after reaching rock bottom things are progressing to a better future. It'll take some time and a new owner and yea probably a new GM if Getz is still here when the Ishbias actually dont pull out this time. But the reality of the current ownership situation means there wont be rapid progress and Getz is just here to tread water and try not to screw up anything major. Incremental steps forward is just more realistic and thats whats happening. I didnt make any money on the team reaching 50 wins but Im happy for the people who did just as I fine with people who won money betting against the Sox last year which includes Ptatc who routinely also thinks things have changed for the better in the organization. So it is possible to know how bad it was and to a point still is and still be able to look forward and see good things happening. I know that kind of middle ground stance isnt quite angry enough for some but I'll manage somehow.

Right now the Sox are in no position to trade young talented hitters.They traded Semien because he couldnt field either. Sosa can reach a higher offensive upside. Let the young guys play and reach something like a career year before you consider trading them. Of course then you want to keep them but keep the minor league talent flowing in if he's still not in the OF or a better infielder.

Not this time !

Taylor isnt that fast anymore. Elko is maybe 5th fastest runner on the Sox.Check sprint speeds. Maybe 4th without Robert.

No because you expect all players to be healthy until they are not. Robert would have never had a great 2023 if as a GM you say aww he'll never be healthy. Of course as I had stated and then it was supported by my arch nemesis Sith ,Getz biggest mistake to date was not crashing in on Robert when he had the chance in the offseason following the 2023 season. Instead the Cease trade took precedent. Why trading Robert wasnt a priority also I'll never understand. Everything else hes done is peanuts comparably. Imagine a return comparable to the Crochet return and how much better the rebuild would be doing. See Im not all sunshine I can cricize Getz . That was a huge blunder. I just choose not to sweat the little things . JR hired Getz and gave him no money to play with likely because Getz couldnt do much damage without much money. He got his feet wet that 1st year then JR gave him even less to work with when he did his house leaning started uograding the coaching and R & D staffs. Certainly not the same Sox M. O. With Colson's very non linear path that included Top priority 1 on 1 instruction in Az and then the R & D with the torpedo bat. Huge development win for the time being . You can say huge scouting wins with Shane Smith, Vasil or Houser ,Perez and Gomez.

Plus theres a huge differnce in the parameters between thinking he was ready to be called up and being called a bust or a bum which that poster called Montgomery. Just because no one said he'd have 2.0 WAR by this time is irrelevant. As usual the usual suspects citing anecdotal evidence of Sox being bad and wrong most of the time decided he wasn't ready. Also while that attitude is very relatable the biases creep in. Nothing really separates these 2 opposing sides than our attitude towards the Sox. I'm more disappointed than angry the owner has decided his team, our team is just an asset used only to benefit the future wealth of his family rather than his paying customers. But c'est la vie . That's life and death in a capitalist society. While many argue they should have social and moral obligations or responsibilities to their community ,legally they are private for-profit businesses we choose to follow at our own peril.

All season actually , all through his non-linear ( not a surprise) development. Im just glad that many of the prospects came to the big leagues and succeeded this season when someone here said " the odds are nearly 100% that a significant amount of these guys will fail, and fail hard. They are all so young, and development isnt certain, nor linear. " Now if Im being fair maybe he only meant some of the pitchers you mentioned and not the even younger position players who were set to make ther debuts this year. Thats not counting Hagen Smith or Schultz who many thought could be called up at the end of this year. I didnt think so because again that would be an ultra fast linear progression which rarely happens with early 20s pitchers . I find it incredibly odd that so very few mentioned Quero,Teel, Sosa, Vargas, Meidroth, C. Montgomery in their reasonings about our record this year. Has a lot gone wrong ? It probably couldnt have gone much worse for pitching depth purposes with all the injuries and it's showing more and more the later we get in the season. Also a lot went right Colson, Teel, Vargas, Sosa, Quero have all performed better than expected. Perez has pitched well in his short non injured time Houser came from nowhere as did Shane Smith, Vasil ,and Yoendrys Gomez. And we added the Pope to our squad too. Can't be all bad.

That was the point of this thread to pick a side on whether you thought things were improving enough to pick the over. Now of course you're going to cry about it being a weird flex . LOL you never quit. It's not the result it's the reasoning behind it, but some people don't understand that apparently. Every time anyone shows a little joy or happiness you're here to squash it. Lowered expectations from your point of view or unrealistic expectations that cannot possibly be met after losing 121 games without any money put into the team and JR intent on leaving as much money to his heirs as possible. The thing is you never quite say what you expect to happen only that everyone else who sees progress isn't unhappy enough. At least we have realistic goals based on an objective view of what is going on with Reinsdorf and the Ishbias.

Anecdotal evidence is information based on personal accounts or isolated experiences, rather than systematic and reliable data. While it can be compelling and relatable, it is considered a weak form of evidence, especially in a scientific context, because individual experiences are not necessarily representative of broader patterns and can be influenced by cognitive biases. Anecdotes are not proof but can sometimes be useful for generating ideas or illustrating concepts. Yet despite all the huffing and puffing about it's the Sox so expect bad, the guy leading his men up that hill died on it because he didn't even put any real conviction into his own words. Didn't even trust his own opinion because he fully admitted he was on the fence about betting either the over or the under. You'd think that if most of your posts in this thread say "been there done that many times before" surely you must believe your own words otherwise what's the point of wallowing in the s%*#. It's pretty easy to take one side or the other on an over/under line especially when you're not betting it you're just taking your data points or your anecdotal evidence and picking a side. Fear of being wrong I suppose.

Too much faith in 2024 , not enough in 2025. Wait till next year !!

Genius/ logic, objectivity wins.

It was like you passed GO and got your $200 ! Now you have to be like JR and avoid LUXURY TAX.

More like Cha Ching !!

Apparently not you however, I give you major props for admitting you bet on the under.

Yes awful but 50 makes anyone who bet on the under a loser.

Good for you ! 1 more win and you're a winner !

Colson was at 2.0 bWAR in game 45.He hit a HR today in game 46 and played SS.

Woo hoo a victory. No Robert no Vargas no bueno. Luckily our 2 best HR hitters hit some jacks. Booser got the win for 1 out and 3 walks. Rule 5 rules ! Smith ( yesterday ) Vasil today with the save. Whatever Perez was doing in the early part of the year carried over to the end of the year after the long layoff. Will the Sox pick up his $10M option or set him free ?

Ha damn do domething for a few minutes and the floodgates opened.

Jinx !

Who else you like Ray Ray. Name me some relief pitchers.

Have our starting pitchers given up 0 runs, 3 hits , and no walks in 18 innings so far against the Royals ?

People think and say anything they want but until they start quoting actual posts as far as Im concerned it's just rumor mongering and gossip.

Waste of resources on a team that will be lucky to win 70 games next year or maybe with a good closer and setup man you win what 75-80 games if you, what's the saying ? Oh yea if you squint . Priorities will always be or always should be right now the development of starting position players and starting pitchers and only from the failed starting pitching do you see who you can develope into those RP. You cant scout you good cheap relief pitchers . How dontou do that ? Do you look for failures with good arms ? Wven great arms with great movement cannot succed unless they can command at the very least 2 quality pitches There is no such space for that to scout. Any pitcher you draft should be developed to be a SP. You dont draft relief pitchers unless its in late rounds but anyone drafted in late rounds the talent isn't there usually. If it was so easy and cheap wouldnt every GM in baseball know about this secret way to scout for good late inning relief pitchers and then they'd be in demand and not cheap. That's why at the trade deadline the very best RPs command a couple of decent prospects depending on how good they are and years before free agency. Plus it's the most inconsistent volatile position in baseball for a reason. Only established veteran arms can usually be counted on in the pressure cooker of pennant races and playoff games with some exceptions. Kopech did good with the Dodgers but back to his injured self this year.