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Yea and your buddy said Hahn butchered his development and all of a sudden under, Getz,Bannister, the medical staff and the pitching coach before Bove he blossomed and stayed healthy yea keep talking and pretending the Getz regime had nothing to do with it when Crochet has praised all involved himself. Jesus what else do you need ? Without that trade the Sox were cooked. Crochet meant nothing to the rebuild at that point. That trade had to be made and oh look its working which you fought against it ever working with every minor roster move as if it was the end of the world and here you still are.

I think he was in a position where catching the ball was his 1st priority cant make a tag without the ball and he doesn't have an infielder glove so short hops arent easy.

Yea holy smokes Getz has been around forever and Starting pitching takes such a short time to develop and yet you think they didnt develop Crochet that HOF talent because yea he just magically got better under the Sox watch, Typical damned if you do and damned if you don't stuff Ray Ray.

He was on his knees to catch the ball with his weight like he was blocking a pitch in the dirt. Just because u see him standing there the short hop force him down to his knees with his toes also in the dirt. Kratz was a catcher he saw things differently. I trust him over you .

Right he had to catch it in the catchers crouch or like an infielder with a guy stealing a base and not going to your knees like you are blocking a pitch in the dirt, which is what he did . Plus he was pretty far out in front of the plate and back to the play. He should at least try to be more sideways so he can pivot like an infielder. I realize the 1st priority is to catch it but you cant do anything when runners slide to touch the plate as far away from the catcher as possible. They weren't going to get him at home anyway with his positioning and him sitting on the back of his legs so he couldnt pivot with his knees and feet on the ground. He would've had to catch that throw like a infielder and that kind of catch with a catchers mitt is hard enough and a swipe tags gets kicked at home and that mitt is not ideal for holding onto the ball.

Who isnt learning from the past? All I can say is yes to that question so whats your point .

Yea HOF talent after 1 full year of starting pitching excellence. More like HOF injured list. Without Meidroth and Braden yesterday the Sox don't get a win. How many wins has Crochet contributed to this season oh yea a -.6 b/War with the playoffs as a target date for his return while Meidroth and Braden keep building their WAR chest. Hell Teel could return before Crochet.

Last time we discussed this and you quoted various sources, there was very little medical evidence in it, There was talk from someone about playing shorthanded. That is roster decisions not medical.

Plus the Sox didnt get the Teel injury timeline wrong , he got reinjured. People just keep inventing stories to suit their agenda of constant dysfunction even if there's very little if any evidence of it in the Getz era because it's been only a small period of time. Medical people say a timeline and if it take 9 weeks instead of 8 people get bent out of shape. People heal differently it's why they give should a broad range and even that doesn't cover it sometimes especially in a position so demanding as catcher. But sure lets just treat him as a robot non catcher. No wonder ptatc rarely makes an appearance anymore. Too many civilian medical experts spewing nonsense. last time I saw him he was questioning Lip's medical knowledge . Yea I'd go with Ptatc .

I don't know with the Teel injury and Crochet is like the Undertaker . Good Cage match !

🤣I'm not actually befuddled I was using Ray Rays quote about how frankly befuddled he is seeing the national media declaring the Sox won the Crochet trade. I was amusing myself that I thought no one might pick up on why I said that.

But it doesn't have to be when the past is over and you can live in the present care free until they actually do ruin it again. I do not anticipate it. We had people here saying that 2030 looked optimistic for competing after recent events in the past year. A new rich owner doesn't solve all problems . Look at the Mets. It has its own set of problems. There is only 1 world Series winner a year so disappointment is build into sports. Perhap moreso as a Sox fan but 3 or 4 years in a row of making the playoffs would be a White Sox golden era. More than 5 in a row would seem miraculous and you'd still be disappointed if none of those resulted in a Championship.

I'm befuddled.

It is within your rights to torture yourself .

I'll take this seriously when it gets down to 20 and the Sox are still in 1st place and got a starting pitcher at the deadline who actually contributes, Mune gets back to hitting home runs and the resurgent Jordan Hicks last 19 innings over the last 28 days lasts into the post season. That WHIP is incredibly miniscule. Too good to be true tiny !

Yep last thing you want to do is trade away power bats and they maybe already did that to invest in long term players like Thome and Prosek. The Getz plan is clear here. Stay the course keep building infrastructure, keep developing. You can't keep trading from the farm without a productive international system yet. Any top guys that they could now sign internationally are going to be farther away than Prosek or Thome. Luck was on their side with Mune and Peter's but that luck was a product of wanting more lefthanded power and defensive ability in Peter's case in the OF. Depth can lessen every quickly as we saw in the Hahn prolonged success all talk/no substance rebuild. Covid and the prolonged lockout did them no favors either when players didn't take the Covid threat seriously enough.

Except this is not the Hahn years any more. Naturally teams do not want to give unreal expectations for early return because setbacks do occur. Why is it necessary to keep expecting disasters . s%*# happens that's life. Get over it. Sometimes life also provides better options from a disaster, Happy for Teel if the shorter timeline is true but it's not like we were losing great production from him, only the hope that he would get over his rust. Maybe what they need is just a solid defensive backup catcher who can hit a smidge better than the current versions of Quero and Romo like Torrens of the Mets. Multiple years left, only 30 years old but not too costly.

True and I know you don't want to hear this because I have always been among the biggest believers in this team's ability to win in most of my posts and my win predictions but there is a very difficult part of the schedule upcoming and all the talk from the media is stirring at a lot of unrealistic expectations from fans in regards to trading away prospects and basically going all in this year because with a weak AL the American League is wide open so getting to the World Series may be easier then expected . Plus the team is a great story nation wide. I recently watched the ReKap podcast with McGuff, Brian Anderson and Hoody (sorry don't remember his real name) but I've seen him on the Score too. all 3 were singing the same song about going all in and you can't hug prospects and the CHGO podcasts talked at length about Langaliers, Rutchman, and Goodman. I know these podcasts are like any other TV show and a lot of what they do has to sound sexy and is clickbait but they are also Sox fans. No alternate opinion was offered. So this is my boring alternative. They already traded what can turn out to be a good MLB player in Gonzalez just for a chance to re-stock the farm system . That was a "we're in it for the long haul" move, which is what Getz has been doing all along. Why would he suddenly start trading even more top prospects ? Yes I think he's still aiming for a starting pitcher but I'd be shocked if it wasn't a rental because the ones with multiple years left run right into the labor dispute next year and the Sox have been burned in a few competitive windows by labor disputes. Of course a rental is not a permanent solution but neither are pitchers whose contracts run through 2028. Then there is the looming possibility of replacing Murakami , I don't know how the future infield will end up looking but it will be different than it is now. Bonemer may be ready before Cholowsky. Maybe both arrive in 2028 but will both be good to great right away and will Murakami still be here ? There is also one HUGE elephant in the room that I didn't hear a peep out of either podcast about and no it isn't JR. He is of course also the big elephant but the one I was thinking of is less apparent unless you look at the BIG picture. Right now the White Sox only have 1 source that is working for getting their minor league talent and that is the MLB draft . If they weaken that and now become even better just for 1 year and fail to advance in the playoffs and they sudden;y aren't getting drafts like they had this year and we haven't even seen how this draft turns out yet. Some of the best talent they picked could be 4 years away or more. That tells me they aren't trading Bonemer and certainly not Cholowsky . So no I don't think they are getting Soriano, Detmers, Rutchman, Langaliers or Hunter Goodman. Too many teams still in the hunt and the rentals for less may suddenly cost even more and the years you pay for for anyone with multiple years is diminished by the looming lockout but the price won't be diminished. There is a strong possibility that the 2027 season is diminished and I don't think the sellers are lowering prices because of that possibility. And I haven't even talked about the real elephant in the room but lets just eliminate JR, and the lockout and reading Getz long term strategy and get back to the biggest elephant. I already hinted at it in the paragraph above. At his current time their only source of talent is the MLB draft. They are not getting any contributions currently nor have they ever developed a MLB player from the young talent signed internationally. I'm not talking about Robert or Abreu or some of the older players they got when you could still actually do that. I'm talking signing a teenager and having him contribute to the MLB team . They haven't been a player for top DR talent ever and the DR has been producing top talent for 50 years or more. which is longer than JR tenure as owner. Getz may have accelerated the rates that the US talent arrives but there's a long way to go to actually see that part of the talent pipeline be productive and they are way behind other teams in that arena. So until I can confirm that Justin Ishbia is some White Knight who is secretly going to step up and pay for Mune and elite Free Agent pitching I prefer Getz stay on the path he created. I know success is not guaranteed tomorrow, which the ReKap podcast was so fond of pointing out, but if the Brewers and Rays can stay relevant playing the long game then so can the White Sox only how about they do it and then we get the super rich owner too. That sounds like a better plan to me rather than going all in now and depleting the only source of talent we have currently and expecting Ishbia to bail the Sox out from the shadows.

Ahh old Jerry Jeff Walker. I remember L.A. Freeway from him.

Around here solid mean's He sucks !

If you still want a starting pitcher the Sox will not spend the prospect capital for much else. I'd recommend a current 1.2 bWar catcher like Luis Torrens of the Mets. Maybe pair him with Clay Holmes in a trade if the Mets don't resign Holmes. Once August start the trades will start flowing. A few might trickle in ahead of that.

Didnt he say 5-8 weeks ? I mean id love it to be 4-6 because that was my prediction before the 6 or 8-12 weeks thing came out.

Maybe the Sox can look into acquiring Luis Torrens from the Mets among non sexy moves if they want to try to pair him with Clay Holmes. Also decisions to be made on who to trade that other teams might actually want from the periphery of the Sox 40 man like Hays ,Pereira, Thorpe. Technically their rehab assignments will take them past the TDL if they want to use full rehab time. But they may want to make a decision sooner on Hays since he has already played multiple games on his rehab stint. Hays 20 day rehab stint ends August 6, Pereira's, August 8th. Thorpe gets 30 days max and his ends August 17. Several others on the 40 can also be moved including David Sandlin, Duncan Davitt, Joe Rock, Wikelman Gonzalez, Jonathan Cannon, Tyler Davis, Riiku Nishida. The rest of the injured pitchers on the 40 Berroa, Bush, Leasure, Tyler Gilbert are still a mystery but also do not count against the 40. The most likely pitchers added to the 26 as RP at some point if not traded are McDougal and maybe Duncan Davitt who has been pitching well since he went to long relieve if the Sox want to make better use of Newcombe in shorter outings.

There was a good reason for it which they pointed out. Some people dig a little deeper when considering the player as a human being , not a machine.

I'm getting used to Ray Ray arguments now. He always leaves some key fact out.