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Most of the misspellings I saw was after the Sox signed him .After we got used to seeing his name enough it got better. Performance is a whole other category.

I think if the plan is to stretch him out, the plan should also be to not use up his service time and if it's possible to gain some of it back and keep him on a starting pitching schedule . If he's in the bullpen you can't say we are only going to pitch you every 5th day. That's why I said I thought for sure he would spend at least half the year in the minors. If by some miracle he stays healthy and they can regain some service time to be able get him slowly up to 5 innings , he would become more valuable as a starting pitcher to then establish a longer period of time as a starter with the Sox until which, at some point, he can be traded. Of course it all depends on keeping him healthy which is a very very tall order. I know Getz mentioned him being on the Sox this year but I can't imagine him being there until he is stretched out on a starting pitcher's schedule when they feel he can give them at least 4 -5 innings and close to 100 pitches per start.

To the bat cave .. pow ! Splat!

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Good to know but I was talking about mostly about why other teams are ignoring many of the free agents and if money for those teams most affected by it is tight ,a guy like Cease as an alternative to the cost of free agency ,is a helluva bargain. The price is steep in prospects but most teams rarely give up more than one who pans out in these types of trades. It worked out very nicely for the Nationals and the Red Sox who both World Series after getting Sale and Eaton . Evevm the Cubs won a championship too. Don't these teams like the Orioles realize that trading with the Sox, while the Sox are rebuilding ,results in those teams winning a Champioship ? ?

If it's the RSN thing causing less spending ,wouldn't you think that Cease being fairly inexpensive would work to the Sox advantage ? I understand it also might make prospects more valuable also but I would also think your older and defensively challenged types prospects will start to lose some of their value too. I think that's why the Dodgers acted on Busch.

There are a lot factors in play besides the other sides repetitive "Getz is asking too much" rhetoric . Just because a deal hasn't been completed yet means nothing. You're starting to sound like our Baltimore Bros. Getz has a plan for the off-season and we have heard repeatedly that it involves waiting out the market and for Snell and Montgomery to sign 1st. Right or wrong Snell and Montgomery are still out there. Getz is being tested by the other GMs more experienced than he is. If you're getting shaky about it now , what are you going to do if Cease starts pitching into the season ? I know many here (myself included) who don't want Getz to do that. But some are fine with it . Too risky vs. a risk worth taking. Cease ,Snell and Montgomery are all Scott Boras clients. There's a lot going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to.

When will Davis Martin be ready to pitch ?

Made sense to me.

Until he needs TJS.

Ok Cool all done. Send it to Getzy, not to be confused with the fired Bear Offensive Coordinator.Now tell me what our Top 15 prospects look like ? Do all 4 make it . I'm thinking yes.

Basically this is the off season to low ball the downtrodden because almost every year recently baseball has faced financial crisis ;COVID, labor problems and the RSN stuff. The top guys keep getting the big bucks and your last season means more than anything right now. But even a guy like Snell who had a pretty good last season has enough red flags to warrant caution. You'd think Cease would be a top guy but he's closer to what Snell is without the great last season. Cease does have the durability factor over Snell . TA has to decide on a lower AAV but multi-year deal or a 1 year prove it deal. If he's financially sound still with millions in the bank and sound investments he can probably afford to take a 1 years prove it deal to maximize future value by putting together a good season but his time is running out. Can he get his head out of his ass and still hit without being a bad fielder and bad teammate ? Lots of baggage with TA. He's going to need one guy somewhere out there to believe in him.

I'm glad you took a stab at what surplus value or future value means because I've been wondering. For a guy like Cease he's a young veteran MLB pitcher with a 2nd place Cy Young finish recently. The fact that he's an established high level , durable pitcher in MLB with 2 years of control and low salary means a lot more than prospects who haven't proven any thing except being able to impress talent evaluators. Sure each prospect has a ranking based on skills and performance , ceiling and floor based on projected best guesses on future ability to adjust to the top level in the world and 6 years of control. But we all know that because baseball is the hardest sport to make projections of value of prospects because it's a sport where physical abilities are not the most important thing. Your ability to be a chameleon means almost as much. Those who can adapt to the top environment are the ones who succeed. However, that's a skill that can't be assessed. How fast you run, how strong or how quick your bat is takes a back seat if you can't handle the mental pressure learning you my not be the stud you thought you were for the last 10+ years of playing baseball collecting accolades inflating your ego . Every level you advanced you become a nobody again until you are so close to the top where the difference between AAA and MLB can blow your confidence away . This is why you offer multiple prospects with enough questionable future value to match the established MLB player future value. If you get Cy Cease his future value is worth way more. You get 2023 Cease it's worth way less. This is what makes this trade so intriguing. With the O's Beavers may end up being better than Cowser or Kjerstad. Maybe his future position in the rankings surpasses the highest Cowser or Kjerstad has acheived.Westburg may be better than Mayo. It's a lot harder to get future War stats playing 1st base. People talking about holding onto Cease if the return package doesn't meet expectations because you need the top 2 prospects you get to have the best chance of achieving MLB future value or you don't make the trade and pitch Cease into the season are missing the point. Getting 3 prospects who are capable of being good MLB players is very important to the Sox future. Getting Basallo ,Mayo, Cowser or Kjerstad may not be any better than getting Westburg, Beavers, Ortiz , Bradfield or Norby. I'd take the biggest quantity package I could get from the O's top 10 prospects list and try to include unranked guy with helium and guys who aged out of the top prospects or a guy who has a risk or being 1st base only. Get as many as you can . They are pretty much all looking better than Colas and Sosa at this point and that includes Ortiz. Having some of us laughing at a guy who professional talent evaluators once had ranked pretty high is just weird. Knowing how bad our system has been at development really screws with our heads in these trade scenarios. We want the highest ranked guys we can get as if that will insulate us from having to develop them and screwing them up . Once you fall off the list it's like you become worthless because the Sox can't fix you. You automatically become Colas, Sosa or Vaughn, Madrigal, Collins ,Fulmer, Crochet and Kopech. Just make sure we get some lefties please and make the trade before the season starts.

Great 52 yard TD run by Josh Allen !

I don't think that's particularly shocking if the DR is the main source of Latin American talent and the majority of the better DR prospects have agreements a year or 2 in advance. JR wont play in those waters. Nothing's changed. Too bad they traded Tatis Jr. That could've been a game changer in regards to being more receptive to DR prospects. Instead it's business as usual with JR making the rules.

Someone could ask Duquette if he feels it is as good as the package he proposed from the Yankees.

I think I've seen like 5 people tell him this and yet in any post when he talks about TA it's as if he's still on the Sox. @greg775 Tim Anderson is not on the Chicago White Sox anymore.

Thank you. Helped me find the thread for it right here in Soxtalk https://www.soxtalk.com/forums/topic/112965-oscar-colas-story-is-this-true/ Right under my nose the whole time. The link is re: Colas' crisis near the end of June '22. 7 pages of our opinions on what happened. My best guess is he's missing family , still in A+, lots of stuff on his mind , feeling lost, stranger in yet another strange land for him. All kinds of new people in his life.. language barrier. Basically overwhelmed and he lashed out in a public way , in the wrong way as a cry for help. It honestly seemed like it was over pretty quickly. Maybe he got help from coaches . Some players need more attention than others. Or he thinks he's entitled to more than he was getting and was being a prima Donna. ? That basically sums up the 7 pages. But we never did find out why he said he was tired of being treated like a slave. I think the 2nd thing about his soul hurting was probably closer to how he really felt.

Lots of stuff gets you jumped on, LOL. Balta is the king of being jumped on . I've had my fair share too but I get proved right often enough that it doesn't phase me much . There isn't any right or wrong in how optimistic or pessimistic one can feel when it comes to your favorite sports team. Hey if someone says they want some of what you're smoking look at it this way. They want to be optimistic too and if what you're smoking can do it , they will take that high to feel good.

No because others remember it too. That's I brought it up in the 1st place because someone else mentioned it and I asked for confirmation or a link to see what the exact story was. I wasn't sure the reason why Colas was upset

It took me forever to find it. Still can't find a thing about his supposed hissy fit about quitting because of something something on Instagram about maybe not getting promoted fast enough ? Google search has to be worded just the right way to come up with stories that surfaced for a brief moment then are forgotten. I tried a lot of different combination of words.

I love to be positive when the situation warrants it but a SP rotation and BP of cast offs , a bunch or guys who can't hit a lick doesnt inspire a lot of confidence. 90, 100 ,110 ,we're just splitting hairs about the variances of losses. What level of bad we reach this year's is inconsequential when the purge of the roster will continue next year. When Robert get traded I don't know but it will happen. Maybe when it does the Sox will have some players develop to give the Sox some actual talent and a better record. If JR is still around maybe he spends money. What we do know is that it's never enough and that big changes in scouting and player development has to happen to compete in this day and age. I have a really good idea about how bad the team was last year I just have trouble seeing the light at the end of the tunnel for a few years.

He was bad on a lot of levels with errors and fundamental mistakes. He's also not that much faster than Sheets, 33 percentile to 38 for Colas according to Baseball Savant Sprint Speed. If you go according to OAA or RAA he was average but those stats normally require a larger sample size. He also had near collisions or partial collisions with Andrus and Remillard. He did have a few very nice assists including the one where he gunned down Kepler at home on that 101 mph throw. Apparently a -10 OAA is Ok for Benintendi because he didn't kick the ball around miss cutoff men or not communicate with the infielders.

I don't think I ever said the previous hype we heard didn't include defensive hype too. It's just in random talk by basically anyone connected to the Sox that yes offensively and defensively he was ready and brought a lot to the table on both sides of the ball.

Yes I just posted in the Rafael Ortega thread sort of going over a few Colas things just to get readers here up to speed on someone who there is a lot of speculation about. I probably should have posted it here but there was also Colas discussion in that thread.