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He did say when it comes to a successful winning team but that is the narrowest avenue to take but usually the only thing that matters to fans which is why you can't go to most fan forums without finding a lot of displeasure. That brass ring is the only thing that matters to most fans. JR has made investors, employees , White Sox Charities enjoy their time with him . Inner city youths also benefit through the RBI program which also stresses life goals much like good parents would and offers scholarships. So while there's a lot to dislike about JR as a fan he's not evil incarnate. Perspective beyond fandom keeps us more grounded.

Tony how long are you thinking JR's lifespan is ? My positivity is not solely based on the relatively simple but effective moves Getz has made to modernize the franchise and build a power structure in the front office to enhance communication and empower those he has hired to do what they do best. It's also based on the inevitable march of time that JR has prepared for by bringing in the Ishbia's to become new owners and to be frank I have no idea if I will be alive the next time the Sox make the playoffs. Since watching my favorite teams play is my favorite form of entertainment I'd like think it can be done without affecting my objectivity but also without bumming me out too much since I also know there is only one true winner every year. Being a Bears, Bulls and Hawks fans has certainly helped in the last 40 years . I'm blessed to have seen 11 championships from my favorite teams and another one from the Cubs who do not fall into my favorites category .But it made a lot of Chicagoans happy so it balances things. I truly think that if we all can be patient enough to wait for the new regime that it may usher in a new era of ownership that the Sox have never had before in their entire history. How that translates to Championships is a lot trickery. But if one is not truly happy unless you win championships we will be skeptical a lot more than hopeful. I post about my thought process as a forward looking fan and as a skeptic in the rest of the Reinsdorf regime. I just let that forward looking part of me be King because I think its a healthier outlook on life in general to enjoy fandom rather than let it negatively affect my nature.

My tongue was firmly planted in my cheek .Hopefully anyone who read it recognized that by the winking emoji.

You are now signed up Mike 🙂

And that explains everything I guess. 🤣 Im just a fan trying to support the team the best way I can when I know I have to be patient because JR is preparing himself to leave his body and the Sox to be sold . We could get learned men with Doctorates and wealthy ruthless businessmen all screaming at each other in a debate about how to run baseball and it wouldnt solve anything. Youre not right, they wouldnt be right and I'm not even in that argument. I'm not qualified. If you want to pretend you are qualified to tell everyone how baseball should be run and be dictator over owners, players and fans and writers embarassment because your trolling is entertaining and because Soxtalk allows you to do so then be my guest. My current way of fanning in our current state is to support the players and staff since they are underdogs in this mess. Starring Jerry Reinsdorf as Simon Bar Sinister

What's that have to do with baseball or you thinking you have all the answers and telling people how to feel. You are a very dangerous man to freedom if you had any power.

Yea that floor was raised a few floors in that guy's argument. I'm glad you saved me the trouble of looking those things up and pointing it out to him.

Fandom is a hamster wheel. Only one team wins it all every year . The rest try to find a path in our minds to momentary joy while knowing the despair will come again. Hopefully our hamster wheel becomes well oiled and surrounded by a much nicer cage.

I think you and ptatc are talking about 2 different people. Getz is doing his job under the restrctions of the owner but he still has to do the job of a GM which will be on a much smaller scale due to those. restrictions. You ate questioning the owner which I have no problem with. Makes no sense to pretend this is JR trying to compete. Even in his best days the money he put into the team was all about the 25 man roster and how much he spent was based on attendence. and TV money and not on spending his or investors money. He never was a spend money to make money guy. He decided long ago that players were too expensive and building a good strong supportive infrastructure that invested in youth and development were places to not spend anything but the bare minimum on. He's not even the best version of himself anymore which wasnt very good to begin with . He's preparing for his sons to make as much money as possible by selling the team after he dies. That's it . It suck it really does but I don't have to be embarassed about looking forward to the day the Ishbia's become the new owners. In the meantime I will hope the team can make progress until that day comes and I will praise that progress since it comes with management and coaches staying positive under the duress of JR's diminished ownership.

Guess you should be Commisioner then and Run the players union too and all will be well. I dont think theres enough gazillionaires out there to have 30 teams all throwing money around like it's confetti. There is only a few franchises that are appealing because they do that. The rest have to find a balance between profit and winning. Every owner has the right to run their franchise the way they see fit in accordance with the CBA.

That was then this is now. Nothing says itll end the same way . We have a choice to be fatalistic about it or hopeful. I choose hopeful. It's better for our souls and better for those around us to envision hope and light in the midst of darkness.

We will see. The Ishbia family is quite rich and they may treat the franchise better than those who own franchises like Tampa, Cleveland, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and on and on. We could end up like Philly, Boston, Toronto, Yankees. And there are other franchises like San Diego. & SF, who arent afraid of $100M -$300M contracts. Im not expecting Mets or Dodger type spending. The Ishbia's own other sports franchises so there is some history to go on.

Youre awfully good at telling all kinds of people they should be embarassed to praise others. Not every teams does business the same way. We shouldnt have preface every sentence about the Sox with I'm still angry, hurt embarassed and weep and gnash my teeth often over being in baseball hell as a fan however... Some of us just like to look ahead and find solace in the fact that there are good things happening with a new owner out there waiting patiently. I'm glad he's not embarassed to buy such a historically weak franchise.

Just thought I'd take this opportunity to say with the guidance of the Pope working through the Sox front office we now have a Jedi (Jedixson Paez) , an Angel ( Luisangel Acuna) and a Knight ( Seranthony). Any player names out there that are synonymous with things like faith, hope, love, kindness, forgiveness the Sox can get ?

Exactly it's how you approach a rebuild. Its like evolution. Enviromental adaptation changes your DNA. There will be strengths along with weaknesses while the guy at the top loses his power. The environment will change again when ownership changes and then the approach will maintain its foundational base while having more money.

Teams only pay huge price for proven huge talent. Unproven or faded talent in the majors that never had much of a top prospect profile like Taylor is not in the huge category. Right now he's just in development to see if he can be effective in multiple innings to see if he can start one day ,like Crochet ,once his body gets stronger. If that development path doesnt work out he then becomes a single inning high leverage reliever or closer where he can build a proven resume.

Passan said its the right direction and it is . No one is dancing a jig and envisioning playoffs. But maybe a path to a few more prospects and a bit more consistent winning while the foundational base thickens and prepares to one day be good enough to help the new owner be happy about what he's getting.

Shut up Jeff ! Winning the off season means squat ! We lost Luis Robert out of our great OF and now it's pitiful ! 😜

Is talent accumulation a bad thing ? Rule 5 picks for the majority of times dont bring substantial results. The Sox hit the jackpot last year and it chump change to make picks. Theres nothing about Rule 5 picks that is worth thinking about except how great they are when you can identify some that actually provide production.

Why the fascination with Robert ? Yes speed and great defense is fun to watch but the bat had 60 great plate appearance in July. The other 4 months he was sup . 600 or sub . 700 OPS and another month he didnt play. And it's been that way for a while.

Did you expect to see White Sox interest in Skubal ? 😋

And its not as if his April & May were even much better than Billy Hamilton with juice. Maybe by LOOKING so much worse without Robert he meant they didnt look as tall, dark and handsome.

According to Garfien , Ozzie Guillen thought very highly of Acuna but then again Ozzie is Venezuelan like Acuna.

He not a gazelle with gap to gap range like Robert Jr. He's more like a smallsh medium size dog who scampers very fast twitchy. He can really burst and his sprint speed is right up there with Hill . I know we have seen various comments on worst outfield in baseball history but we saw a lot of comments last off season about 2025 was going to be worse than 2024 too. I don't think the OF defense is going to suffer that much from losing Robert, Jr., Taylor and Tauchman. The hitting might be pretty bad but hoping Baldwin can go from negative WAR to at least 2 WAR if he can ride the hitting improvement he had in the 2nd half and learn how to use his speed to improve his range enough so his defense doesnt drag down his WAR. Acuna could accumulate WAR defensively and on the basepaths like Robert, Jr. did and if he can have a Sosa-like VZL league improvement ignite a hitting upswing we're not so bad out there. Baldwin's April through June was big nothing burger offensively but OPS after that kept going up. July .759 August .784 Sept. .828 covering 42 games and 141 PA Robert Jr.'s year consisted of 2 sub .600 OPS months, 2 sub .700 OPS months and one .990 OPS month consisting of 59 PA , which is less than any of the other 4 months he played in.

I agree but reading the amount of glee here about a perceived White Sox /Fuller failure even though we all know he is capable of excellence will spark the snark. One blowhard here already stated how much hes looking forward to check the odds on Robert, Jr. for MVP and to laugh at those who sing Fullers praises.