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And it will continue. Not expecting a 90% approval rating. He done good and questionably things. Even though Ive been at the forefront of the give him a chance he's trying to change something thats been bad a very long time brigade, theres still no money left for the roster. It seems like with JR he's given up trying to compete which he's already admitted about the current location of the team without a support village of moneymaking attractions around it. So more money than usual is going into infrastructure. That's the complete opposite of how JR used to operate where the 26 man roster was the focus based on the money mostly from attendance and TV advertising, merchandising etc. JR crys poor when he can't treat both with equal attention. Its only infrastructure now because it takes less money to support then a roster that requires more than half a billion dollars to compete. Ohtani was $700M alone and the Dodgers have to pay many many other players over the length of that 10 year contract with $68M deferred annually .

Im impressed that under further review you can say your initial take on Getz was lacking evidence to draw any meaningful insight. It's also something that most angry fans hardly ever admit that their ignorance in things that go on behind the scenes is not always a simple, defining equation of guilt . Kudos ! In court its called circumstantial evidence.

I think it can't be stated enough that Getz emphasizes a team effort in many important decisions . There are scouts and heads of departments and analytical data people who are all likely consulted on player acquistion. Getz just doesnt wake up one morning and say to Carlos Rodriguez hey do you want to be Asst.GM ? This could've been in the works since he lost his last job. I'm sure someone keeps track of execs from other clubs and their histories, like a scouting report of executives. One guy cannot be an expert in all facets of creating what Getz is trying to create and he's likely aware of his weak points. This is why you surround yourself with people with good reputations in other areas of team and culture building.

Mainly because showing our front office some respect is not an easy thing to do for many people until the results start showing up on the diamond. But generally people are good with a former front office Tampa Bay executive being hired.

And most of this has happened after he got rid of Grifol. I think his 1st year on the job was just familarizing just trying to evaluate the people who were still left from the old regime that he wanted gone and making some upgrades that were long overdue. After that came the major hirings that are still ongoing. I kept saying that fans dont really buy into structural changes . The backlash was always " we' ve heard all this before" and the running joke about the early KC hires. But it's pretty clear now that he's getting some respect. Im glad your post outlined as much as you can remember. Ive been doing it piecemeal throughout the process and felt the backlash because it just takes a while for most serious organizational practices to change the outcomes on the field. And without backing from ownership to put real money into the roster it's still a battle that is extremely difficult to win until it translates to sustainable success on the field, even moreso with Covid, labor disputes and interference from the meddling owner who never realized the importance of putting money into multiple layers of player development domestically and abroad. JR will get praised for having some high ( for him) payrolls but a lot of things got neglected when the player payroll was high.

Hey now youre going to be accused of stalking the poor guy and he's going to block you. 🤣 You better back off bub ! 😋😜 ( these emojis mean I'm just being facetious for anyone not sure)

Im not sure youre talking about the same person ,the sarcastic optimist or the Debbie Downer ? You have to admit that even moves that are difficult to find fault with there's always the guy saying how lucky or hilarious it all is.

Oh I dont know thats a tough one. Everything the Sox do is just luck. They didnt help make Crochet or Colson better they just lucked into it. It was all on the players . They call up prospects too soon or wait too long. They can't develop but there are late round draft choices that have prominent roles on the team. Their coaching staff causes injuries. We should all be embarrassed and hide. So YES !! Let it grow, let it grow, let it blossom , let it flow !

I already told you. But Ill add that the decision is coming up very soon. Robert likely wont be traded by late Monday afternoon and O'Hearn is more the Sox speed if they also plan to sign another starting pitcher and/ or relief pitcher and OFer. And JR is in sell the team because Im almost 90 yrs. old mode not I can now take on the richest contract in White Sox history mode .

Lack of experience most likely and need more reps. Baldwin has the same problem in the OF. He's very fast but if you check his range its pitiful. He's literally learning how to judge fly balls so his jump must be atrocious. Then when he does get there on time I've seen him take his eyes off the ball and clank a few.

Wre not far apart on our AAV and I forgot about the posting fee. So basically you expect the The Sox to hand out their biggest contract ever that Jerry could be on the hook for most of or even all of it ? To be polite Ill just say I strongly disagree but admire how you view the current status of the franchise although I find it somewhat delusional. 🙂

i meant more AAV not total money in the contract.

No way he gets that little. Guessing $100M easy maybe 5 years. Could be bigger.

Give me a prediction on the contract the Sox are going to give him .I need to hear this. White Sox not Red Sox just to be clear.

I trust your process but not your conclusions since JR still owns the team and has shown 0 interest in the team except to lower the payroll significantly since he hired Getz and got the Ishbia's to take over ownership eventually and help pay off debts while JR is planning his estate for the benefit of his children, not for Sox fans. There's also no indication the Ishbia's are putting out any money towards players as of yet.

I said what I said tongue in cheek . I just meant it for the power and K rate. As I said later in the post, I know I cheapening Murakami's by saying what I did by quite a bit.

I think you're making a good case for him except the OBP is just terrible. You e got to be more than a . 295 OBP when your BA is .265 You're right the Sox cant afford to trade his power. And as much as they want to improve defensivelyand get more left handed on the infield they still need power and guys to trade. That might mean giving Sosa and Vargas their AB's and hope the bats and gloves of both show enough progress to be worth more than they are now. All of the young position players need to hit the ground running. Cannot get off to an atrocious April start again. Robert, Teel, Vargas, Sosa, C. Montgomery, Quero, Meidroth, Baldwin need to hit the ground running. Pitchers have to do their part too. It'd be nice to get some quality starts and rack up some saves.

So its a more expensive, proven in Japan version of Tim Elko. Except he's LH and Elko is RH . Elko should go to Japan. He might be a star there. I know I'm cheapening his value considering he was a superstar in Japan while still very young. Ill be interested in following him since we are hearing scouts call him a boom or bust kind of guy. I think its more likely he'll hit a lot of bombs and K a lot and be neither a bust nor a boom. He'll be worth his contract. Im highly skeptical the Sox get him because money as usual even if he signs a fairly reasonable contract. Sox arent doing reasonable if it involves 3+ years over $50M. There's no way JR wants to pay anyone during the strike season.

I think I picked him in whatever that thread was about off season signings dreams over a month ago. Okamoto likely to go for more. Don't they all have the same deadline ?

That's if you trust those numbers . How does one determine if it's a ball outside the zone that, if framed properly, it COULD have been called a strike ? Or is it that balls in the zone are being called balls by bad umpires ? If you set up low & inside and a pitch hits the zone high & away and called a ball is that a knock against the pitcher the catcher or the ump ? I think most people quoting framing stats and using them seem to trust the people doing the video checks to determine these things. Also don't veteran catchers and pitchers get more favorable calls than younger ones ? There's so much going on between pitchers, catchers ,umps and location and the speed & shape of pitches that I'm just not going to blindly put my faith into fairly new defensive stats that seem to always be changing. Are there comprehensive videos on youtube out there that shows us how a rookie catcher gets such a bad rap for framing or any catcher for that matter ? They catch thousands of pitches . Seems like a lot of tedious work looking at how a catcher frames every single pitch and determining what is the catcher's fault as opposed the pitcher or the ump on close calls. When a catcher has to move his glove too far its practically impossible to actually frame a pitch. Youre judt.lunging to actually catch it especially on a fastball. Sinkers and split finger pitches or sliders and other breaking pitches with a lot of movement make a lot of umps and catchers look bad. Also pitching staffs on a rebuilding team or team cycling through a lot of pitchers transitioning from AAA are all getting used to each other. There's a lot dynamics going on based on familiarity between catchers pitchers and umps. Sometimes a catcher will set up low and away , the pitch is thrown perfectly hit the spot and the catcher will barely move his glove and it might be called a ball because the ump is setting ump over the catchers inside shoulder. Do catchers with a bad rep for framing get dinged because reputation becomes a self fulfilling prophesy with statisticians ? Who are the statisticians ? How do I know they are impartial ? Do they do testing where 10 or more of these guys all look at the same videos and grade each pitch and see how they differ? It all seems very subjective. Maybe their methods are flawed.

they probably do since his bWAR is higher isnt it ?

Im not sure but fWAR seems to put a lot of emphasis on framing . I have no idea if framing stats is Fangraphs baby but it's over rated. If hes throwing out base stealers and picking guys off base and blocking balls in the dirt, and calling a good game those all equally important to stealing strike calls for your pitchers on the rarer than you might think occasions the umps are influenced by guys moving their gloves into the strike zone .

Its just speculation based on a lot of things going right. If Carlson is the best fielder who can also hit he's the SS. Colson is chosen for 1st because he fits the physical profile more than Cholowski which leaves Roch at 3rd base. Why would Colson's value be diminished if he can hit the same at 1st as he does at SS but SS has a better fielder and 1st base has possibly the best defense it can also get from anyone on the roster ? Sometimes you forget this is a team game. It's not about building 1 player's value at the expense of the team's value. It's the little things that make the difference in winning and losing . Sure he'd need to learn the rope at 1st but he can field groundballs, go back on pop ups like a SS. He can snag high line drives, stretch far forward and wide because of his height. He can turn a 1st to 2nd to 1st DP and be a strong cutoff man because of his arm. As a tall guy who has already experienced back problems at a young age you also may be increasing his value by doing things that are not as stressful to his back. Availability is a very valuable ability. Baseball talk man. The more your best players are on the field the more valuable your TEAM. Optimize their individual physical traits to maximize team performance. Its a long sesdon and physically demanding with all the twisting and turning that playing SS and swinging a weight (a bat ) while twisting your hips as fast as you can. Maybe Robert couldve been a great player if he had understood along with bulking up he also needed flexibility and core strength. Or on the flip side some bodies cannot handle extra muscle/weight genetically when put in a physically demanding position. Those are things you need a lot more data on about family medical history but unfortunately theres not much info except for 1 or 2 generations back.

Not Getz fans so much as with JR as owner any GM hired who knows the importance of data and coaches who can understand and utilize it doesnt do a much better job. He likely knows hes building a foundation for a future that he's not likely to see as GM. I admire that he has surrounded himself with forward looking people. So I choose to be part of the forward looking group and not let the past cloud my judgment nor my ignorance shape it.

Hang in there Trev. 🙂