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The question always is how do you fan ? Do you want to live in the present and enjoy what is happening or do you have to think you know everything and let everyone know things are not that great. The Sox have players, like every team does, whose stats do not support their meaningfulness to the team or their contribution. In terms of wins and losses and even surface stats like ERA Kay has been very good. The Sox win more than they lose when he pitches . He walks a tightrope out there and other stats reflect that like his WHIP and FIP. This is usually perceived as a way to say his luck won't last, much like Peters BABIP . Kay is like the Seranthony Dominquez of the starting pitchers. He just had a string of very good starts in May that lowered his ERA to 3.77 which is very respectable for a 3rd or 4th starter. Most of the time, 10 of 12 starts before this one, the results have not only kept the Sox in most games but allowed them to win a good portion of them . Sox were 8-4 in his starts and with May being a great month for the Sox, it was also a great month for Kay and Peters. As a manager you like pitchers who give you a good chance to win ALMOST every game. He's also a veteran arm that even when he pitches poorly the manager will leave him out to die to try and save the pen as much as possible. These days that's 5 or 6 innings .On a team that is trying to infuse young arms into the rotation it's imperative to have veteran pitchers eat innings even when they struggle. Kay's WHIP and pitch count get elevated but if he can hang in there for 5 or 6 innings it's helpful. So to say he stinks without looking at the broader aspect of how the team plays when he pitches and his function in the broader team concept ignores pretty much everything and just focuses on the poster letting you know he knows everything about the future and your good feelings won't last. The starting pitching has been disappointing on the road and the upcoming teams are very good teams. The Sox will just have to win their homes games and try to hang without losing too many on the road while they navigate their way through injuries. Looking at the big picture helps rather than concentrating on who stinks every game and who doesn't. Sox probably end up around .500 on the season but maybe guys come back from injuries and propel them higher. If there's one thing I know there's not a lot of people very good at predicting the future. A season is full of surprises good and bad. With a young exciting team on the rise there's a lot to like and look forward to.

The consensus of who? Nice to know you don't care about getting the player who actually turns out to be the best. It's a crapshoot accept it.

I can think of far worse than picking the guy most consider the #1 pick especially if all analysis the Sox have done support it. Now if you mean making the safe pick without the support of your scouts and all other metrics just because you don't want to create some kind of negative buzz I'd call that strange but the best player doesn't always turn out to be the 1-1 pick anyway so even if you think it's pathetic the results could still end up looking like genius. As long as he makes the pick based on the guys he hired to give him advice are heeded I'm good with whoever Getz picked. No matter what he does ,whether or not he listen to staff or ignores them, he's still picking one of the top 4 guys and there's still a chance that none of them turns out to be the best choice after 6-10 years .

Is that based more upon him being traded as an expendable piece or thinking he will be traded at 21 years old because you don't think he was a good pick ? I know you never liked the Gonzalez pick from the beginning. Is that why you said that about Carlson ? Are you on record as liking someone else who was left on the board at that time ?

I didn't see it live but I saw the replay and the route and the speed and the ground he covered all looked pretty legit. We don't always get to see jump or good angle of the route with edited TV replays though. I assume catch probability establishes some kind of baseline for average amount of ground an average RF covers so anytime a speedy player with a good jump & good route catches a ball at full speed it's likely the catch probability was on the low end. There's a lot of RFers without the speed necessary to make that play. Being a RF is still more about how you need to hit for power and having a plus arm than it is for speed. Jumps and routes count too but it's ultimately the speed that separates the best catches from average ones if routes and jumps are equal at all OF positions.

You're calling Kay's pitching smoke and mirrors because of his High FIP and WHIP. Maybe more too. His baseball savant page probably doesn't look much better. I do know that when he pitches the Sox are 8-4. I know 10 of his 12 starts he has given up 2 or less Earned Runs. I know he usually out pitches the pitcher he is matched up against or at least our relievers out pitch theirs to get to that 8-4 record. I know his 2nd to last start in April, Venable left him in on a bad day and he gave up 8 runs which blew up his ERA from 2.60 to 5.57 (A Venable save the pen day) and his next start it went to 6.27. Those were his bad 2 starts. After that he made some changes about where he stood on the rubber and the results have been impressive at least as far as wins and losses go but also good enough to get his ERA from the high of 6.27 down to 3.77. Very respectable. Now every time Kay pitches you get to hear Schriff talk about the rubber stance change !! 🤣 He has a 5 pitch mix and his fastball is good enough to keep the hitters honest and off balance. He also throws a good amount of ground balls. So he does give up enough hits and walks to get himself in trouble but he's made a happen of pitching out of it too. 4 of his last 5 starts he's given up 0 or 1 ER and the other game was 2 ER Lets hope Kay and Peters both keep defying predictive analysis. They both had amazing May's that contributed to that 18-10 May record. I try not to look that much into predictive analysis. What happens happens. I can enjoy it more just seeing the good results . Murakami predictive analysis helped the Sox benefit and a LOT of people bought into the bad analysis. I'm not saying it's all wrong of course. But in a rebuild you are in a position to take chances and defy a lot of projections. Remember Meidroth was predicted to be the top WAR producer among position players by those projection models. I used Pythagorean models of the Sox 2025 season to help me make a prediction for the wins this year so there are projections things I will use . I also believe that young players have not established themselves enough for models to get a good read on them so they are in general cautious. Young players can make adjustments and the development does not end in the majors. Plenty of good luck this year but bad luck with injuries.

While is seems that Verizon users are having this problems on their cell phone I can get Soxtalk just fine on my PC . I have Verizon now for both internet and cell phone. While just recently I had AT&T where I could turn off the Verizon wifi signal and just use AT&T data to get Soxtalk on my phone that is no longer the case now that I have Verizon for both. Game threads will be quite challenging without use of the cell phone for Soxtalk now. My signal watching the games is already behind now I'd have toadd to the time lag and run into another room and post from my PC. Not going to happen ! Adios to my game thread buddies.

This is uniquely hilarious as well as it is ironically accurate. Bravo ! I'd also like to suggest that we remove TLR from the emojis . Not sure what it's supposed to mean. Is it making fun of someone or suggesting your attitude is outdated? I mean it could also mean you're Hall of Famer although I don't think anyone ever used it for that purpose. Anyway no matter how it's used that era is over. We can do much better. It just serves as a reminder of a time that Reinsdorf stepped in and screwed up. While many were convinced that JR made the same mistake with Getz , I hope we can start to appreciate what he (Getz not JR) has built so far. He's at least surrounded himself with respected people from outside the organization who share a vision of growth and stability to get the White Sox through to the Ishbia era.

I actually don't think that part of the schedule will give a definitive answer. The Braves and Dodgers are the 2 best teams in baseball .Yankees are a pretty good team. Phillies strong lately. Guardians are good too. But there's Detroit, KC and Orioles too. If they stumble a bit in June they have guys coming back in July. Maybe Gonzalez proves he's worthy to stay, Braden Montgomery , Teel Murakami , Schultz, Hagen Smith, Ben Peoples, Hays, Pereira,Shane Smith are all players who may be joining the team before or after the TDL. Might be a few surprises too. Plenty of the season left to recover and surge again if they stumble a bit before game 81 on June 26th.

It's a 10 day sample size. You can find a few 10 day sample sizes this year when it was good too.

Welcome !!

The K's and low Batting averages do hold prospects back though because it won't get better as you advance and the pitching gets much better. You end up swinging out of the zone more which makes it very difficult to maintain a high walk OBP and ISO .

It wasn't that bad. Chuck said it was his worst game of the season or career (hitting) with the with all men he left on base and K's in those situations. Ozzie wasn't pleased but he's still stuck in the 80's and has some issues with statcast data especially hard hit rates.

The gauntlet coming up is taunting 3 @ Philadelphia vs Phillies Record similar to Sox but hot since changing manager 3 @ Home vs. Braves Best record in baseball .677 Win Percent 3 @Home vs Dodgers 2nd best team in baseball .645 Win Percent 3 in NY vs Yankees +92 RD puts X W-L better than actual record 3 In Detroit 4th place in central 3 @ Home vs Guardians better on the road than at home atm 3 @ Home vs Royals last place in Central 3 in Baltimore vs. Orioles below .500 but better at home 4 in Cleveland vs Guardians better on the road atm Key is to keep winning at home and beating AL Central opponents Not get swept against anyone Get a series win a home against the Braves or Dodgers Need to win 1 series vs Yanks and Orioles Come out on top of the 7 games vs Guardians These things would be tough with Murakami Gonzalez has to find MLB HR stroke soon

Surely you jest . I'm actually glad that people show up to the game threads and there's a winners thread now too. There are still those that treat the Sox like the ugly step child and will never think of the 3 100+ loss season as a rebuild. To me they sound exactly like those Cubs fans who hate the Sox. I mean as far as rebuilds go it's progressing pretty well for having an owner who may never again approach a $125M player payroll unless they get 2M+ fans and even then I'm not sure if that goes very far now or even will influence his spending. He's basically a lame duck owner trying to pave the way for his sons to sell the team after he passes on. The less debts his sons have the happier JR is and that's how he's operating the Sox now.

LOL Yeah I think it's supposed to be step away from the ledge not off it .You don't exactly want to be plummeting to your death.

That's the way I look at it and Braden Montgomery possibly in June and maybe Hays and Pereira. Schultz can come back. Shane Smith can come back. McDougal is getting healthier. I wouldn't count on the TJ guys rehabbing now to provide much like Adams or Thorpe with his recent appendectomy throwing a monkey wrench into his rehab. Bergolla is still rehabbing too from his collision with Antonacci and he was hitting .457 the 1st 10 games of the season. That must've been some really serious blunt force trauma to his leg without a break to be out as long as he has been.

Stepping up , that's what's needed.

Losing battle amigo, fans complain. It's the nature of sports or people and game thread are the worst . If you DFA'd everyone since the beginning of the season that just 1 fan said DFA him or send him down, there'd be half the team gone and the whole front office narrative of fire everyone. You run into the mods who will tell your that you're complaining about the complainers , follow your own advice, gaslighting or don't tell me how to fan.

Hits a decent amount of doubles and has 1 triple, 2 HR . 4th on the team in doubles even though he's like got 75 less ABs than the guys ahead of him. His xtra base hit rate is above 33% maybe close to 40%. I think if he stays healthy he'll finish between 3 and 3.5 WAR. If his June can match his May he might have very close to 3 WAR at the end of June. He has great range defensively and already at 5 OAA.

Have you also started taking after your older brother on getting the last word in ? Butt the f*** out ! It's bad enough the board has to read mine and his s%*#. How the f*** is me saying "I'm going to be me" being a tough guy ? I did not throw the 1st punch but I'm not going to lay down and die either when Mr. Hypocrite insults me for the same thing he does. And my little nickname at least had historical baseball roots on a baseball message board. OMG what big crime I committed.

See I knew you wouldn't deny it was about me. So what now you want to remove my right to respond to an insult ? You're a fascist you've proven it over and over. You're the one who's been crying for 3 years while I support the rebuilding process. I cry about bullies and fascists trying to push people around here like you. My mistake for being supportive I suppose . You've managed to do that to a lot of people here. I got supporters and so do you so you can't make me feel bad. Why don't you just get your usual last word in so we can end this now so people don't have to chime in about the bickering ruining the threads. You took a shot at me I took a shot at you. Pretty damn hypocritical to insult my little thing about M & M pretending like you never used some kind of bad nickname. Oops didn't think I'd remember that did you ? Eat s%*#.

🤣🤣🤣 You're up to 3 . I didn't see you denying that you threw the 1st punch. You knew you were insulting my use of that term. You're the one who made it about me. Let's go bro. Gloves are off. Go ahead deny that you had no idea that I was the one who used M & M Boys. Go ahead deny it. You'll just throw another meme at me deflecting what the real issue is .

Butt out Robin. This is between me and your Batman . You know as well as he does he was taking a shot at me . He didnt deny it. So who's being the jerk 1st me or him ? I never said a thing about him using Dutch for Schultz until now.