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Lots of people here agreed with that decision.

Is Nastrini going anywhere ? Is Thorpe ? is Cannon ? Horn came back and got traded for cash . Can we still not hit on some of the youngsters since we still have them to play the 2nd half and next year ? Why exactly should I trust your evaluation of talent ? You don't know who is going to move the needle . If you want to downplay the pitcher we got for a month of Grossmans low salary that's cool. Just remember to throw in that if Grossman was never acquired and Fletcher was still up we never get that pitcher while burning service time on Fletcher. Is that really better ? And now Fletcher is back up no fuss no muss.

You say why would he panic but then you said he did panic. Why would you consider the edition of Pham ,Clevinger or Grossman panic moves ? Clearly those guys wanted too much money in the off season and the price for them went down enough to offer them a contract after the season started. It's already paid off by trading Grossman. Pham should get you something decent too. Trading Wilson will add to the return on the Cease trade after paying his salary for a 1/2 season. If no one again wants Clevinger at least he might be able to eat some innings and keep the BP arms fresher. The last 14 games the BP has an ERA of 2.66 and the 4 innings by Soroka today turned out well. He was at 96/97 until the the pitch count got a bit higher in his 4th inning of work . There is still a live arm in the guy, how long it lasts seems to be the issue. If they want to keep the BP arms fresher and get prospects for Brebbia, Wilson, Soroka and Kopech they need innings from the starting pitching. I'd give Getz a C just because he had a lot of holes to fill and no money to work with. He'll likely get little to nothing for the guys he inherited like Moncada,Eloy, Vaughn, and Sheets. Most of what he gets will come from the guys he acquired. The guys he inherited were costly and injury prone and once again proved it. You're only using 1 option per season when u call up a minor leaguer and send him back down if he doesn't perform. You're burning less service time yo-yoing them while a guy like Grossman played enough to net you an arm and Pham will get you more. He gave Ortega a shot and he didn't perform so he's gone and replaced by Julks. Maybe if you sift through enough trash you find a Muncy , or JD Martinez or get a Yordan Alvarez in a trade. Plenty of good players started in other organizations then found their niche. Between the last trade deadline deals and the Cease trade there's been a good amount of talent added to the minors. I doubt Getz can get as much this deadline but he doesn't have as much to work with .

What's so hard to understand ? The more projects you get the better the chance to turn a couple into a minor leaguer. Remember Fedde was the huge expenditure at $15M for 2 years. You read way too much into things. He didn't panic. He couldn't buy guys in the off season but prices came down once the season started. Was Pham a panic move or a smart move ? Did the addition of Grossman work out ? It did.

Haven't seen anything above 94 this inning. I think Soroka at his max pitch effectiveness through 3 .Just trying to get 1 more out.

Ooh do tell. What's going on ?

If you ignore that fact that 5 runs in a game usually doesn't happen.

It must be difficult to comprehend that getting Pham can both improve the team in the short term while providing a chance to fix it longer term. Surely an advanced baseball mind like yours understands the closer you get to the deadline the more teams can determine their needs and who else becomes available. This is how the trade deadline has worked for years. Imagine someone yelling at Getz on a message board about why Pham hasn't been traded yet 2 months away from the trade deadline while also yelling at him to stop making the team better and start acquiring talent .Both will happen through acquiring Pham. They already improved in the short term and he will bring back more talent. You really should get out of the basement more.

There's different ways to look at things. You use the word panic .I doubt that's the right word.He was forced by the budget cuts to make small moves and concentrated on pitching then defense and lastly offense. He's been trying to fix the offense with trading pieces that didn't get contracts in the off season like Pham and Grossman. He already got a AA RP for a month of Grossman and should get more for Pham. These moves alone might justify keeping Colas , Sosa and other guys with options down. Why burn service time when you are trying to replenish the farm system ? Clearly the team won't be good this year or next so acquire tradable guys to acquire more prospects and let them Duke it out for supremacy . They can do that in the minors. If Fletcher can't get it done then go maybe you play Julks and see if you catch lightning in a bottle, after all he should be in his prime and if you are going to break out you better do it quickly. He's going through as many guys as he can on the fringes either to trade or hoping very good happens after a little coaching. So I wouldn't call it panic. Right now he's recycling, sifting through garbage, searching for anything junkers sell for better junk until you find something valuable enough to actually want to hold onto for 5 years. We'll be seeing this for a while. Not sure he'll get much more to spend next year but if he does that ups the ante. Guys getting midrange contracts was the bain of Hahn's existence . Too many expensive over 30 types who quickly sucked with the Sox. The returns might be better sifting through the garbage and sticking the returns In the minors and let the cream rise to the top.

I wonder what happened to him. He blazed through the minors his 1st year playing in the states but they didn't get him many ABs at AAA. Maybe they started him at a level too low, kept him there too long or kept him in Birmingham too long or just saw him hitting well and kept him down to work on defensive fundaments but he was gunning down a lot of runners. Then he made the team out of ST after working all winter wit Sox coached on pitch selection. He really hasn't been the same player since.Its like they took away his power to get him to swing less and take more walks. I can see by his AAA stats has his OBP is about .90 above his BA which is pretty good but everything else is just not even close to the BA or power he displayed that 1st year in the system where his combined BA at all 3 levels combined was well over .300. Unfortunately it was only about 7 games at Charlotte. I thought we really had something. Power hitting RF who also hit for average with a gun for arm.

Think they trade another 5 guys between now and the deadline. Mostly pitchers. That was the plan all along one they hired Bannister and identified as many cheap dumpster dives they could who had a sliver of hope of turning it around. I've said all along it wasn't much of a plan turning lead into silver but I never saw much else he could do given the cutbacks.So he spread the money around on as many of those types as he could to build a team and tried to put some good defenders around the pitchers . Next you all get to be unhappy with the returns. But tougher competition leading to the deadline may diminish some of the sheen . Hoping Fedde can keep his metrics fairly decent since he's likely to have the most interest.

It's June 18th against the Astros when the homestand starts not the 17th. Didn't edit my post so when I nail both those predictions I won't be accused of cheating

The schedule isn't kind coming up. 18 of the next 29 on the road. I figure they might win 9 of the 29. So I'm predicting a 23-50 record after the game on June 16th. Maybe Robert ,Jr. comes back for the home games starting on June 17h.

Last place finish guaranteed !

Then why bother to stick up for him in the 1st place if all you have to offer is a let's wait for a bigger sample size, which was kind of my point. You can't draw any conclusions on what a small sample tells you about the pitcher and certainly not about the coaches.

I guess I'd have to ask you if at any point in Thompson's career with the Sox if he had similar or better stats in any 23 inning sample size. I'd also ask if you anticipate that if he continues to walk 13 batters every 23 innings if you think that ERA is sustainable.

That's you're highest hope and dream ? Yeesh ?

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/white-sox-blank-nationals-2-0-for-their-2nd-consecutive-win/

I act surprised when posters pretend they have inside knowledge of things they have no clue about. In general the Sox lag behind other teams in player development but you cannot pinpoint real solid reasons why except Reinsdorf which has always been my stance. I don't go around saying that a Sox prospect that has been in our system for years who gets traded to another franchise and performs ok for 3 games is proof positive that one organization has better coaches than another.

2 shutouts in a row.. of the opposition no less ! Sox 10-7 the last 17 games. Pretty soon they may only have twice as many losses as wins ! What a team ! Edit: Make that 11-8 in last 19 games.

You're thought process is very sound. The thinking is I suppose that we already know Julks is , OF depth on a bad team but people rather dream Rodriguez can be a competent if not great MLB pitcher just because he's young and not fully developed yet. You make those type of trades too often and you give away a Tatis, Jr. So, yes ,panic sets in about the process rather than the trade itself.

Better be careful Jimmy the tides of rebellion are rising against Getz sympathizers. I'm seeing some McCarthyism 1950s vibes here.

We'll hear of Rodriguez again. He'll put together a good 3 game sample size in A ball and We ll get an I told you so like we got when Matthew Thompson had a small SS run with the Cubs AA team as evidence the Cubs MiL coaches were better than the Sox.

The Saint strikes again

I did . When I saw u had replied. I was expecting a comment about your ex ?