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Colome is an easy choice to want back. His last 2 years with the Sox have been pretty damn good especially 2020. He had been good before he came to the Sox . He isn't your high K closer and that bothers people. I did notice when he got to the Sox he became a 2 pitch pitcher, the cutter and 4 seamer. The year before he came to the Sox he was also using a sinker and a change. His 1st year with the Sox was successful but not great. However the bottom line of Saves was very good; 30 saves in 33 opportunities. I think that performance was while he was refining becoming a 2 pitch pitcher. 2020 it looks as though he refined it very well. Again not a high K rate but all other categories he was elite and I don't throw that term around loosely. FIP , WHIP, ERA, BAA, weak contact all outstanding. He saved 12 of 13. If this is the now refined Colome I want more of it. If you then pick up Hand or Hendricks that would be an amazing back end. The only problem I foresee with combining Hand/Hendriks with AC is if one is the primary closer, does it create a problem for the other to be the setup man which would push Bummer down. Or does the manager mix and match all 3 and how does that screw with effectiveness with not having defined roles ? Good problems though with too many excellent relievers.

Nice write up, however I am a little confused by one thing. This is the batting line you sited : "He hit just .285/.397/.297 " . I am confused as to which stats those numbers represent. Normally BA would be 1st but you have it OBP then SLG. but I can't find what your 3rd number .297 is.

For anyone interested in looking at pitchers stats including the type of pitches they throw , how often they use them and how they are hit and comparing all that to previous years you really can't beat Brooksbaseball.net

I use plenty of apps but not a single radio one. If I want music I have my own playlists stored on my devices. If I want Sports I can use free apps on Roku or come to the internet and subscribe to MLB.TV to watch Sox games or listen to radio feeds of other games. When I'm in the car free radio is OK. I've given up on paying monthly bills as much as possible. Phone, internet, rent, gas electric . I do love movies however any getting digital movies as cheap as possible on the secondary market and redeeming them has become something I'm pretty good at.

Is this one of those specific target threads we have to use now instead of the off season targets thread that was closed ? That's 2 threads recently closed where it was just people talking to people about stuff stemming from baseball discussions.

Hey if he's a multimillionaire I want to be his best friend. How you doing @WBWSF. I need a free or extremely low rent housing in a nice area for retirement . Can you help me out buddy. I have always thought that you contributions to this board have been overlooked and greatly disparaged.

True but it is way over the top.

It does even less for the thousands of Sox fans out of state.

That happens a lot too but not a lot we can do about it. Arguments get heated and some people get attitudes about it. It will happen after the Sox makes moves too unless it's Bauer . Even if it is Bauer there will be an awful lot of people calling out those who said we will never get him.

Yea then basically the same thing happens, people talking to people and disagreeing about our acquisition instead of speculating on possible acquisitions.

LOL I just call it people talking to people about baseball stemming from how we view David Dahl as an acquisition.

I think anyone's delay in development makes sense even if you play baseball your whole life. You are among the elite talents in the sport. It takes time to figure things out. Injuries delay that process. It's a more cerebral game than most sports and requires patience . I'm not surprised that baseball is less popular in the computer age when instant excitement is at everyone's fingertips. There were plenty of people worried about Robert when he was in the low minors showing no power . I'm glad we can all discuss baseball here and we are never going to agree with each other on things we all wish would happen . Most of the time I try to keep it in the back of my mind not to be belligerent and not to say things that I wouldn't like said to me. Some times I fail . Some posters don't have a self filter and they hide behind anonymity to let arrogance and ignorance rule their words. If I encounter that type of attitude I respond with that attitude . But prolonged discussions trading snarkiness isn't my style.

Exactly . Projections just take what they have seen so far and extrapolate it into future production, just like anyone who says someone sucks and they will continue to suck. It's a total cop out to support not using your brain to see beyond the numbers. I'll be wrong more than I'll be right using an oft injured player with promise and saying he could become a very good player and Pete will be right more often when he says someone sucks and will continue to suck but that's not exactly the point. The point is that using limited funds on low risk high reward young players is a good way to maximize value for franchises who don't spend the big bucks.. If the Dodgers can do it with guys like Max Muncy and Chris Taylor so can we.

How did you feel about Tim Anderson before he broke out at age 26 ? I remember that Jack. A lot of the board disagreed with your stance on Anderson because he had the tools and he was our guy but his 1st 3 seasons weren't exactly stellar. And in fairness to you plenty of thsi board were super down on Giolito and Moncada after just 1 year in the league. It's super easy to say someone sucks and that's all they will ever be even when they are young. David Ortiz had over 1500 ABs for the Twins before they released him and he went on to become a legend starting with the Red Sox at age 27.

Because players are always who we think they are at the age of 25 . My God I actually used to think you were smart about baseball but to pursue this line of BS you are beyond hope. Tons of guys turn into more than the sum of their stats after age 25. Of course more stay exactly the same and some get worse. How do I know that ? because teams , yes actual major league teams take chances on guys like that and successful teams too like the Dodgers, Oakland , Rays and many more. Or teams just keep them rather than discarding them. Anyone can say someone sucks and be right most of the time. Most of this board said it when the Sox SIGNED McCann and he was older and worse than Mazara. Hell you could have said Tim Anderson sucks after his 1st 3 years until he broke out at age 26.

Ok whats your point ?I know it was a trade. Yes I put signed instead of traded, my temp. insanity. There's really no need to rehash that trade > i did it over and over at the time.

I'm always for low risk high reward types who have already, at a young age, had several promising seasons although cut short by injuries a lot. It's the reason I was fine with Mazara . I never considered him as the primary move because from the beginning of the 5 or 6 posts I made on the subject I knew he wouldn't be ready to actually passed a physical until he was recovered from his latest injury which won't be until February.' I love the guys stroke. He's not even close to a dead pull hitter . He just rolls with the pitch much like we saw McCann and Timmy learn to do and how we've seen Abreu do it from the start of his career. Plus he has no problem elevating the ball which was always the concern with Mazara.

Look smart guy. My arguments are well thought out. LeMahieu was one example I used. The articles I posted used other players in support of my arguments and the Coors effect that you probably didn't bother to read. As far as Mazara goes. Yes I liked the signing as a possible low risk high reward approach. The Sox apparently saw it my way and it didn't work out and it didn't cost much money. Big deal. As for Puig, no I didn't want to sign him and you did and apparently still do. Every single major league team agreed with me and not you. I also didn't want EE and the Sox disagreed with me and it cost them a twice as much as signing Mazara. I would make those choices about Mazara , EE and Puig every time in the same situation. I did present the type of contract I would sign Dahl to but only as a last resort and admitted in every post that his current injury and probable signing in February ruled him out as the main RF target. Stop twisting everything I say to feed your closed minded narrative.

He's a hot hothead and refuses to be educated. Nothing we can do.I took the time to do the research and present a reasonable argument that fangraphs backs up which he probably didn't even read judging by him posting the same thing he did before. I had already admitted numerous times Dahl might not be a good choice because of his numerous injuries and the current one he is recovering from.

Sorry Poppy it's my pet peeve .Could've should've is correct and when pronounced sounds like should of and could of, so is very very often written that way. Don't hate me. Learning contractions in 5th grade just stuck with me.

To continue how the Reverse Coor Effect works all you really have to look at is the BB% and K % The theory goes that pitches move less at Coors Field. This makes it a lot easier to see where the pitches are going to end up. You end up judging balls better meaning you walk more and K less. You also hit the ball a lot better. LeMahieu's walks went way down on the road as and his K's went way up. See it better hit it better. Pretty simple. It's really a more significant factor than the altitude. Now when these same players go on the road all of a sudden the ball is moving all over the place so the adjustment to Road baseball is a lot harder than going from all other Home fields to all other away fields.

Thanks for that. I think the whole Coors Effect is overblown. I did answer him using several articles from fangraphs and Hardball Times about how players do after leaving Coors and the hangover Effect. LeMahieu got better after he left Coors . I can see how he answered you that he thinks Dahl's Rockie road stats would follow him to GRF because GRF is "away" from Coors and created a number only slightly higher to fit his narrative. I don't expect the Sox to sign him because they will make a decision on RF long before Dahl can pass a physical and sign. But I truly believe that someone will get quite the steal on him if he can stay on the field . However staying healthy is a HUGE factor even more so than trying to convince someone that the guy can rake and play his position well and for that reason alone he isn't much of an option.

I expect a lot of concern over his injuries. I can understand that. But I looked at DJ Lemahieu's numbers from 2016, his best year with the Rockies at age 27, before he went to the Yankees. Before and after 2016 his highest OPS was .786 with the Rockies. Going to Yankee Stadium didn't hurt him at all. In fact he's had the best 2 seasons of his career. It's pretty simplistic to say we'd get more of his away stats because we are away from Coors. I think you know enough about baseball to know that Home stats are often much better than Road stats for many many players. You can see below how vastly different Lemahieu's stats were in his best season pre Yankees. I also looked at Dahl's defense on Baseball Savant which uses Statcasts Outs Above Average. 2019 he played more games than he ever had so I view it as the best year to look at his defensive stats. He played all OF positions but had the most attempts in CF. He was a 2 in Runs Prevented and a 2 in Outs Above Average which is a positive. If you're going to use the Coors Effect be aware there is also a Reverse Coors affect: Mike Petriello at MLB.com, for example, looked at several players with substantial careers both in Colorado and elsewhere, and found the ex-Rockies’ performance on the road rebounding once Coors wasn’t their home field. https://tht.fangraphs.com/the-other-coors-effect/ There is also this older article at Fangraphs that talks about when position players get away from Coors in which ,again, you shouldn't be expecting terrible thins once a player leaves Coors. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/when-position-players-get-away-from-coors-field/ Anyway these are Lemaheiu's Home/Road stats in his best season at Coors. Season Home / Away BB% K% BB/K AVG OBP SLG OPS ISO BABIP wRC wRAA wOBA wRC+ 2016 Home 13.7% 9.9% 1.39 .391 .473 .591 1.064 .199 .420 76 36.4 .450 154 2016 Away 6.7% 15.7% 0.43 .303 .353 .395 .747 .092 .351 37 1.9 .326 101

I think I can agree with this list mostly. I'm higher on Dahl as a player over Pederson but the injuries are a big concern . I doubt anyone signs him til he is fully recovered from his surgery and that might not be till February . Plus the surgery was on his right shoulder which is his throwing arm even though he bats LH ,so not ideal for RF. This place will be a mess if we wait that long for a RF .

I don't think so. Dahls OPS was .867 for his career until the injury year in 2020 and he can hit lefties. When he's playing healthy he could be one of our best hitters with both batting average and power.