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or Brock Holt who can also play RF but he's a lefty so not really a platoon guy with Mazara. He actually plays every infield position and plays LF and RF so everything but C and CF. But he sucks against lefties but great and high OBP against righties. Not much power either. Real solid player though

A few posts did not age well but I like this one the best.

You hate Collins because he can't catch . You've been beating that drum for a while.

Sox fans aren't the only ones . I've heard it on MLBN maybe from Plesac or Smoltz. And I guaranteed someone on the MLBN will say it again if there's anyone there in the next few days considering most of the regular guys are morethan likely already off for the holiday.

Nah it's just that Holt is a proven commodity, but for a small sample size Medick did great and shows more HR power than Madrigal ever will.

That's what I remember reading a few days ago. Yes both with multiple Glove Gloves, both with great pick off moves , both multiple All Stars games . Could you also say both are ground balls pitchers ? Just keep Joe West away from the plate with Keuchel on the mound or he'll call balks on him like he did with Buerhle. Didn't MB have some kind of streak going and West kicked him out of the game after calling 2 balks on him ?

Why ? Do you think Buerhle was better ? Worse ? Both soft tossing lefties who control the running game very well. Kuechel didn't allow any stolen bases against him last year.

Mr. Sunshine .

My old eyes read Scarn as Scam.

And if he doesn't work on that 3rd base is a position that will give you back troubles from lack of flexibility through your core and hamstrings.

I think if he fulfills your criteria he will get to 7 WAR easy.

Nice to know.

I needed a chance to catch up with the rest of the thread. I did respond to that post.

Thanks. I'm glad there is one. The Sox aren't the Cardinals of course but if people want to keep thinking the Sox can trade for a superstar FA to be at the age of 27 and extend him for 9/10 years for $350M+ more power to them and I will stop reminding them how it's impossible.

Freddy Garcia ? He was with the Sox for 3 years in his age 27 28 and 29 seasons then went to Philly and Detroit for 2 years then resigned with the Sox at age 32 for 3 seasons. I don't see a long term extension anywhere.

Then they better start operating more like Tampa Bay and Oakland which I have already stated multiple times that they should because I realized what you just said a while ago. I'd rather not be like Colorado extending their superstar then trying to trade him after he has no surplus value. If you can't resign them trade them and get something for them and retool on the fly like Cleveland Tampa Oakland . It seems to produce winning teams as long as you keep the flow of young talent coming in ,along with paying good talent evaluators and spending your IFA money and using developmental sciences. Problem is I also realized the Sox don't do those things either. They are a rudderless franchise and perhaps that's what hurts them more then anything.

Apparently you and a lot of others agree with that silly train of thought. From Smardizja to Betts to Lindor I have read hundreds of posts about extending a traded for player with a year or 2 left on their contracts . It doesn't happen . I've asked time and time again for examples of a new team that traded for a superstar or even a good player who ended up getting an extension. No one can find one. Impending superstar free agents want to test the market unless the team they played for up until that point extends them because of the mutual respect for each other through years of association. Best case scenario in case the Indians are stupid enough to trade Lindor ( somehow the Indians preferring a Sox package centered around Madrigal and Vaughn instead a much more attractive offer from the Dodgers ) to a divisional rival would be the Sox flipping him right away to the Dodgers to fill that #2 spot in the rotation and more like Verdugo Yes I'm repeating myself on this but that's what happens when I see talk of extensions. My silliness vs. yours.

I'll notice a lot of guys get extended and none by teams that just acquired them in a trade . They always have a choice that's why it's called FREE agency. Free to seek the best offer from the team they prefer. SInce you didn't give me an example that I asked for it's not just the Sox who can't bend players to their will.

No need to apologize. I was the one reminding them .

I'm pretty sure most of us realize that . But then again maybe some people need to be reminded if they actually think Lindor to us is a possibility.

Maybe one exists out there but could you please find me an example where a team that traded for a superstar free agent to be for a short period of time such as 2 years or less convinced him to sign an extension ? I feel like extension talk comes up on trading for every superstar like Lindor or Betts and goes on and on without ever being a real possibility. I understand this is a fantasy type trade that will never happen and it's fun to discuss the possibilities but once the trade is done in your mind perhaps the rest of the fantasy should be grounded in reality.

HAHA oh yeah all the time my sauces are spicy.

The Indians are not folding up the tents just because they trade Lindor. They are retooling on the fly. That logic might work if the Tigers traded Boyd to us but not with the Indians and Lindor.

It's likely Grandal had input since right after the trade Hahn said Grandal was giving advice on who he likes . I know Hahn might not go overboard on giving him credit but glad to know Grandal's presence was instrumental in Double G coming here. Or maybe it was the money too.

Does it even matter? Some shit you can just look at and know it's bogus from the get go. Even if the Sox approached Cleveland they couldn't match a prospect package or controllable MLB talents from the Dodgers or probably the Padres too. Dodgers are flush with good players at minor and ML level. Why trade in the division to a team with an inferior offer ? You know the Sox won't give up Eloy, Moncada, Giolito, Robert. They need all the ML pitchers they have like Cease and Lopez. That leaves Madrigal, Vaughn and whoever against Verdugo and May and whoeve,r which is controllable guys who had good 1st seasons . Some around here are in love with Madrigal and Vaughn but Verdugo and May beat that duo handily since Vaughn won't help the Indians right away and Madrigal doesn't have the proven MLB bat like Verdugo even if it was just 1 year. Indians aren't rebuilding they are retooling almost like The Tampa Bay Rays continue to do successfully and they will want MLB ready talent just like when they traded Bauer. A slick fielding HR hitting SS with a billion $ smile is one of the most valuable commodities in baseball for 2 years. All this talk about trading Vaughn and Madrigal wouldn't be worth it unless we signed Lindor to an extension is silly talk. You think the Dodgers or Reds are going to insist on him signing an extension ? No they will happily give up whatever it takes to get him for 2 years, Madrigal is a slap hitting good fielding decent baserunner with no power and Vaughn is a right handed undersized 1st basemen who still has to run the gauntlet that is Birmingham to prove he has what it takes. I'd ship them off so fast for 2 years of Lindor it would make your heads spin. Plus the Sox don't even have to keep him if the Indians were so stupid as to trade him to the Sox . They could trade Lindor for Verdugo and May and we have our young controllable assets right back and ones that fill the OF and starting pitching needs. Oh, no 2nd basemen . Sign Cesar Hernandez use Mendick, Starlin Castro let Brock Holt play full time there. There are still decent options out there. I know, I know . A lot of time and lengthy post on a bogus trade rumor .