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Sorry JR the Cubans cost more than others I guess.

What did The Athletic predict $120M ? Lot of us thought that was low. Who the hell knows at this point.

I watched MLB network a lot during the Winter Meetings. Mark DeRosa (ex MLB player) usually acts like the in house hitting coach and thinks Mazara is a little too busy with his hands. Of course everyone has an opinion on how to get more from him .

"Or do something really creative like signing 3-5 of those scrap heap pitchers" I give you a like because that was me who suggested that

I think the vast majority of the fan base knows that its the pitching that will either make or break the Sox, You see a lot of of posts about adding a RF and a DH stiil and add bad fielding OF's many posters wanted to make the playoffs this year unrealistically . It hurt to lose Wheeler because even if not expecting the playoff he was a big part of the next step and while many were skeptical of Bum, Ryu and Keuchel now we are begging for one of them and chances are with Boras and preferences for the NL or California being likely maybe we only have a real shot at one of them. and have to convert. Next year's starting pitcher crop is uninspiring . Maybe Kopech or Cease or Lopez steps up. Maybe some prospects step up The window is going to be small and close quickly . Maybe we can do a Royals and get lucky but until we start investing more money into IFA and player development using sports science the Sox are going to be the same old Sox they have been for over 100 years. Fans will be praying for a savior owner and it hasn't happened yet in the long terrible history of this franchise. You cannot fail or not participate in so many areas that involve young players like every type of free agency and in drafting and development and expect anything lasting.

Now this I can truly say is spot on. Include IFA in the drafting portion of it just to give it an extra ummph !

I generally like your posts but maybe you keep forgetting that other teams actually use international FA to pump more young blood into their franchises and have been doing that for a long time.The Sox threw $50M at Robert. If they had been playing that game for as long as some of the other teams we might have come up with more than that. Oh shit I forgot we did. We came up with Tatis and he was snatched up by a smarter organization from us. Also the Cardinals have a great fan base and continuously have great player development. The Sox couldn't find a single diamond in the rough or create one from their 2nd round and higher draft picks You were right about your predictions but expecting a long run of success ain't happening.

Don't forget Eloy could improve by a bunch. I'm expecting it. He won't be at Yoan's WAR level but he could be the better hitter.

That's what I've been arguing all along. Their problem and looking for suckers to bail them out at their price because OH no pitching is so expensive. Fuck Boston.

Next up Burnin' Down the House !

Ha i was just editing it to include that.

And you may find yourself Living in a shotgun shack And you may find yourself In another part of the world And you may find yourself Behind the wheel of a large automobile And you may find yourself in a beautiful house With a beautiful wife And you may ask yourself, well How did I get here? Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down Letting the days go by, water flowing underground Into the blue again after the money's gone Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground And you may ask yourself How do I work this? And you may ask yourself Where is that large automobile? And you may tell yourself This is not my beautiful house! And you may tell yourself This is not my beautiful wife ! Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Same as it ever was

Then why are we calling it the we suck tax ?

Well they made the best offer and it's very possible he just wanted to play in Philly. We have no idea if his agent came back to the Sox and said look you have the high offer but he's going to Philly and even offering more won't change his mind or said the opposite and told them just a little more and you have him. Without that info I can't condemn the Sox. If we truly are glass half full guys I can't blame any team if that happens . I think it's unreasonable for most to say just offer the most money and when we do turn around and now say there's a "we suck" tax. What's next another tax on top of that called the " you're not the Cubs tax " ? We don't suck. Grandal signed here and if a pitcher doesn't want to pitch to one of the best pitch framers in the game that's his loss. Fuck Wheeler more so than fuck the Sox.

Can't disagree with anything you said. Good talk ! It's a shame Wheeler picked the Phils. That was a major blow because he might've been the one guy who we had great shot at getting. Now the rest of the options with Boras or NL guys probably preferring NL teams are not half as appealing. Wheeler is the difference between what could've been a great off season and one of despair that's even getting the glass half full kind of guys like me and you troubled.

My bad was reading Daniels material at the same time when researching the Hamilton signing. but it was Jerry Di Poto.

But they need pitching even more than we do . Rendon went where the money was and maybe wanted to play with Trout but their starting pitching is a huge mess.

Moreno severely handicapped his GM with the Pujols contract. Upton was a -.9 in WAR last year and still has a few years to go. Don't forget Josh Hamilton who our good buddy Jon Daniels signed when he was GM ing the Angels.The Angels are the poster child of why you don't take on big contracts of aging and injured players. They got lucky that Ohtani preferred a West Coast team.

Yea because they are a joke and right up there with the Sox as far as gullible and misguided FO. A least in this case Reinsdorf's obstinacy regarding pitchers contracts might actually help us. Otherwise I'd say the Cardinals because they have a ton of MLB ready OF's to give up and it won't hurt them at all. But they won't be giving up Edmen or Carlson that's for sure.

People around here are so in love with the idea of getting Benintendi that they would happily take on that nauseating contract and convince themselves Price will somehow avoid more injuries as he ages for a mere $96M and even willing to give them Collins for that privilege.

From 2017-2019 the 31- 33 yr old Price pitched 74.2 ,176 and 107.1 innings . Do we expect that to get better in his age 34-36 yrs ? He is a headache to the Red Sox in both salary and with the fans and media because of his very public feud with Dennis Eckersley.They are looking for a sucker to take that headache off their hands. Used car salesmen would be proud of them.

I'm not even real sure there's real interest from so many teams. I'm pretty paranoid about Boston writers/fans and fake leaks creating false interest in order to help out the Red Sox. The good old fashioned all for one and one for all hyping up the product and pretending Bostons desperate situation is now the buyers desperate situation.

This x1000

Highest contract in White Sox history goes to 34 year old David Price for just 3 years at the tail end of his career bailing a rich team out their own created mess and taking the headache he has become with the fans and media is not is a look I like and Beni is just a dream. It won't happen

I'm trying to be realistic in getting Boston to pay as much of that contract as possible. They got themselves into that mess and they got Price's best years. If I have to take his worst years I want money and a player and don't want to give up much of anything. Ask for Beni and it's take the whole contract and give me one of your good prospects.