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I think I picked him in whatever that thread was about off season signings dreams over a month ago. Okamoto likely to go for more. Don't they all have the same deadline ?

That's if you trust those numbers . How does one determine if it's a ball outside the zone that, if framed properly, it COULD have been called a strike ? Or is it that balls in the zone are being called balls by bad umpires ? If you set up low & inside and a pitch hits the zone high & away and called a ball is that a knock against the pitcher the catcher or the ump ? I think most people quoting framing stats and using them seem to trust the people doing the video checks to determine these things. Also don't veteran catchers and pitchers get more favorable calls than younger ones ? There's so much going on between pitchers, catchers ,umps and location and the speed & shape of pitches that I'm just not going to blindly put my faith into fairly new defensive stats that seem to always be changing. Are there comprehensive videos on youtube out there that shows us how a rookie catcher gets such a bad rap for framing or any catcher for that matter ? They catch thousands of pitches . Seems like a lot of tedious work looking at how a catcher frames every single pitch and determining what is the catcher's fault as opposed the pitcher or the ump on close calls. When a catcher has to move his glove too far its practically impossible to actually frame a pitch. Youre judt.lunging to actually catch it especially on a fastball. Sinkers and split finger pitches or sliders and other breaking pitches with a lot of movement make a lot of umps and catchers look bad. Also pitching staffs on a rebuilding team or team cycling through a lot of pitchers transitioning from AAA are all getting used to each other. There's a lot dynamics going on based on familiarity between catchers pitchers and umps. Sometimes a catcher will set up low and away , the pitch is thrown perfectly hit the spot and the catcher will barely move his glove and it might be called a ball because the ump is setting ump over the catchers inside shoulder. Do catchers with a bad rep for framing get dinged because reputation becomes a self fulfilling prophesy with statisticians ? Who are the statisticians ? How do I know they are impartial ? Do they do testing where 10 or more of these guys all look at the same videos and grade each pitch and see how they differ? It all seems very subjective. Maybe their methods are flawed.

they probably do since his bWAR is higher isnt it ?

Im not sure but fWAR seems to put a lot of emphasis on framing . I have no idea if framing stats is Fangraphs baby but it's over rated. If hes throwing out base stealers and picking guys off base and blocking balls in the dirt, and calling a good game those all equally important to stealing strike calls for your pitchers on the rarer than you might think occasions the umps are influenced by guys moving their gloves into the strike zone .

Its just speculation based on a lot of things going right. If Carlson is the best fielder who can also hit he's the SS. Colson is chosen for 1st because he fits the physical profile more than Cholowski which leaves Roch at 3rd base. Why would Colson's value be diminished if he can hit the same at 1st as he does at SS but SS has a better fielder and 1st base has possibly the best defense it can also get from anyone on the roster ? Sometimes you forget this is a team game. It's not about building 1 player's value at the expense of the team's value. It's the little things that make the difference in winning and losing . Sure he'd need to learn the rope at 1st but he can field groundballs, go back on pop ups like a SS. He can snag high line drives, stretch far forward and wide because of his height. He can turn a 1st to 2nd to 1st DP and be a strong cutoff man because of his arm. As a tall guy who has already experienced back problems at a young age you also may be increasing his value by doing things that are not as stressful to his back. Availability is a very valuable ability. Baseball talk man. The more your best players are on the field the more valuable your TEAM. Optimize their individual physical traits to maximize team performance. Its a long sesdon and physically demanding with all the twisting and turning that playing SS and swinging a weight (a bat ) while twisting your hips as fast as you can. Maybe Robert couldve been a great player if he had understood along with bulking up he also needed flexibility and core strength. Or on the flip side some bodies cannot handle extra muscle/weight genetically when put in a physically demanding position. Those are things you need a lot more data on about family medical history but unfortunately theres not much info except for 1 or 2 generations back.

Not Getz fans so much as with JR as owner any GM hired who knows the importance of data and coaches who can understand and utilize it doesnt do a much better job. He likely knows hes building a foundation for a future that he's not likely to see as GM. I admire that he has surrounded himself with forward looking people. So I choose to be part of the forward looking group and not let the past cloud my judgment nor my ignorance shape it.

Hang in there Trev. 🙂

That's how it goes around here now . Good things happen and the Toxtalk response is haha are you crazy the team has lost 100 x straight seasons, in the padt they did/said the same thing . Some of us are moving on from the past. We didnt create it so there's nothing to be embarassed about. I don't know what's going on or what went on when Getz was in his other job. All I know is to look forward and respond to current events and try to see a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm accutely aware of the pitiful history of the franchise and as it's written its always been put on cheap or poor owners . As time marched on no one mentions the 2nd or 3rd or 4th in command because s%*# rolls downhill from the very top.

Pot calling the kettle black otherwise known as Now I Know How Caulfield Must Feel When I do It To Him .

Was not reading the room apparently that you were likely referring to him.

Oh you mean like the thought police who wanted our thoughts to be embarassed because Smith was our best SP ?

I also said Colson at 1st base but that's a everything goes right scenario. 1. Billy Carlson SS He is the great fielder he's reported to be and his bat comes around. 2. Roch Cholowski 3B 3. 2nd base up for grabs between Meidroth, Bonemer and Antonacci 4. Colson Montgomery 1st base. Just what you want there a LHH with power. Tall ,so able to snag more high or wide throws. Doesn't throw LH but fits the bill on everything else. 5 DH :Survivor who becomes the best hitter between Vargas, Sosa, and whoever is not playing 2nd base. Utility guy : Whoever isn't playing 2nd base or DH and isnt traded . Others prospects may also step up.

They want to finish ahead of the Sox in 2026 so taking all the LHHs.

Jerry needs Ishbia to pay off Sox debts . Throw out a number you think it ends up at. I'm willing to say it could happen . I'm just not comfortable thinking JR is going to throw us a tiny bone while he's a lame duck owner planning his estate for his death.

Here we go again with subtle hints/ insinuations/accusations that somehow somewhere in the coaching structure lies the fault of the injuries. Of course no concrete evidence but hey lets troll the hopeful fans again. I'm embarassed some of you still call yourself Sox fans. Again this a jab you wont see anywhere else except perhaps a Cubs forum. Even now with more posters starting to voice more hopeful opinions we still get the awkward machinations of conspiracy theorists hellbent on promoting the despair/inept narrative.

In a nutshell yes. Before it was the Sox scouting sucks so u get a scouting and some development wins in an afterthought draft that hardly ever produces talent but since youre still so pissed off and embarassed about 2024 you have to find another reason to be embarassed rather than acknowledge that things could be looking up. That is some unique reasoning to hate your favorite baseball team that you won't find anywhere else but Toxtalk or maybe from Cubs fans .

Im finding it hard to believe they spend more than $80M. Figuring in the Pre Arb raises brings them to about $61M leaving approx $19M left to spend if they spend about the same as last year. Everyone should just throw out a number of what they think payroll will be.

Was the same thing last year.Lots of posts saying how 2025 was going to be worse than 2024. Its like we never went through the rebuild before only no one is gung ho for it now because of how it crashed and burned before. Prospects have ups and downs just like any other players with injuries and apparently it bears repeating , development isn't linear. The one huge thing making it worse than before is the lame duck owner so we just have to wait and see what happens when we're not in a patient mood. You talk about 2028 no more excuses except for the same huge barrier that will have been true for every year of Getz as GM.,Decreasing roster payroll until there's a year it might actually go up a little once that also reaches rock bottom. Great way to build a team . We'll find out if this years player payroll passes last years. 2025 was around $80M .Hovering around $43M now with Pre Arb raises projecting it to $61M. Once again Robert and Benintendi make up a good chunk of that.

Plus its not a fair comparison.Getz has only been GM for 2 full seasons. There's been plenty of talent brought in since then and its just in the baby steps stage of making youth development a priority. And Montgomery is a prime example of benefitting from a Getz hire . Shane Smith and Vasil both now key components of the pitching staff also were part of scouting wins in a situation that has not been a fountain of success for very many teams. I don't know why people keep feeding the despair wolf.

My reasoning is that might be the most they offer and he'll get more according to most estimates. They got some arms coming back from TJS starting around the middle of June. They need to get more young arms in the BP. The juice isn't worth the squeeze with him. Not the type of guy who gets you a nice prospect back.

2/$15M is the only way the Sox get him, which is to say they wont get him.

Wholeheartedly endorse this POV. Very young switch hitter already looking like a professional hitter. Only a matter of time before we get 15-18 HR annually from him.

Hahn, KW and especially JR's which it will continue to be until the Ishbia's take over. However, there can be incremental improvements for the next few years regardless of that and labor impasses.

Yes 2026 draft is supposed to be loaded.

I can think of a lot better perfect world than being set at just 3 positions assuming a perfect world means all prospects in our system reach their ceilings, Even if the means Colson at 1st Base.