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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) LOL. All I know is I now find out he hit TWO home runs today and has 31 and 90 RBIs. I am AMAZED at the lack of praise on here about Jose. You aren't gonna be thrilled if Eloy has a 31 homer season with 90 ribbies on Sept. 10 some season?? And I watched Fulmer's highlights today. Lot of scorn on this board for Fulmer who had nasty stuff. My eyes can tell me that. Man I'm glad I'm not a stat geek. My eyes tell me Jose is special and I wouldn't count Fulmer out yet. He had some pop today and breaking stuff too. The world would be nicer if fans were all like el Rockin. Drives me crazy the lack of respect for Jose this season on this board. There's tons of love for Jose from this board. I see it all the time and you'd have to be blind not to see it. ron883 has been scorned for his bad opinions on Jose. The board thinks he el loco. How soon we forget. Better work on some things to sharpen the old coocnut.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) Let's let that hypothetical happen then. Fulmer has been bad for over a year. He's been bad in AAA, he's been bad in the majors. He's been bad as a reliever and starter. I'm really glad he had a good start that featured lots of Ks. But no, I don't expect a lot out of him. Doesn't mean anyone is rooting for his failure to be right. And so that's the reality. Maybe today's start had some incredible change that sets him on a trajectory for success. Or it was just a random good start against a team we are vying for position on. I don't think any Sox players career will be decided by a single game, but I think the white Sox org trajectory very well might. I am always an optimist when it comes to Sox youngsters. Hell I loved Brent Morel when he had that 9 homer September. He's 23 and yes pretty much everything about him has been disappointing but he deserves another start and I am pretty sure the Sox agree and will give him another one . I'll just take it start by start and see how it goes without any predictions.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) Yeah, that's true. I'm really not mad here. No sense going any further over something so trivial. I want the Sox to lose EVERY GAME this month. That's just me. I will admit I haven't even looked at what Bumgarner has been doing recently and even if I knew he had been struggling or not pitching up to his extremely high standards I would still expect the Giants to win. They didn't. Oh well. Good man nice to see a friendly resolution here !

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) No, him beating his chest like he's some kind of baseball savant is what's lame. Nobody is impressed because "on the second post I said they would light him up" hahaha look at me. One game out of a billion of them. WTF cares? I make predictions all the time. Some right, ALOT wrong. I can admit that. Really easy to do when you have nothing to lose either way. Oh so feisty. All I did was correct your erroneous statement that the Sox aren't supposed to beat Bum. They had a good shot at hitting him. Fulmer of course was the wild card. Even if the Sox hit Bum it's not like Fulmer couldn't have also been lit up.. I never predicted a Sox win, just that they would do well against Bum. I also see nothing wrong with beating my own chest. When people are wrong around here everyone lets them know it . When you are correct no one remembers . I make plenty of mistakes. I made that 2nd post half asleep and also predicted Bum could hit a HR against Fulmer forgetting it was a home game for the Sox.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 03:43 PM) Next time put some money on it. I rarely gamble. But I am well ahead in money won over money lost due to a huge win on the Raiders/Tampa Bay Superbowl quite a few years ago. I only made those bets because a friend was going to Vegas SB weekend so I asked him to make some bets for me. I won the 3 bets I made and came out at around $4000. I had originally made around 8 bets on that game and my friend who is a much more experienced gambler convinced me to make less bets. Funny thing was I would have won every one of the original 8 bets. But his advice was sound and I was more than happy with the win.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 11:53 AM) I feel bad but damn I do not want to win today. But on the other hand, Yolmer hit a double off bumgarner. I wonder if Carson threw 3 good starts in a row would posters still be upset about draft position. I am fairly convinced that most posters would rather be right about Fulmer being a reliever or bust than admit some good starts will go a long way towards changing their minds. I would 100% rather have Carson Fulmer be a decent 4th or 5 starter than have the 2nd over the 3rd pick or 3rd over the 4th.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) I'm not mad at the players per se. You're right. I don't want them to go out there and not try. It's just that this team is 30 games below for a reason. They're not supposed to wax Bumgarner. But that's baseball. I get it. Still sucks. Um yes the Sox are supposed to wax Bungarner. 1)He had come off an injury lately and hasn't been pitching well. 2) The Sox hit lefties well. Follow baseball and the Sox and you know they had a shot. That's why in the 2nd post of the game thread I said the Sox will light him up.

Another reason to like Fuilmer. He's wearing Dick Butkus' number.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) Outdueled is being kind. This was a straight up spanking! Hats off to Fulmer. I love eating my words. Imagine if Carson can be an effective starter.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 10:01 AM) Sox will light up Bum.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 09:14 AM) Rick Hahn sending Fulmler out there like Old Yeller. Gotta admire his commitment to the tank effort. Sox will light up Bum. Bum may head a HR against Fulmer.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 09:18 AM) I read an article that mentioned the umpire missed 11 pitches his last start. That can't happen. It is amazing there wasn't more damage, I'm pretty sure Gabe Morales was one of the 2 umps Ian Kinsler singled out about needing a new profession.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 09:00 PM) Shields actually pitches a dominant game. Weird. I don't like him. Abreu is so good it's scary. He's a special White Sox hitter. Always glad to see Avi hit a dinger. Anderson excels today. Back near .250. Man our record sucks. Scary that we are four wins from 60. What a lousy ballclub. Great win today though. It just came out of nowhere.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) An unsustainable, lucky .300 with limited sample size You're telling me about sample size when you listed his last 16 games. My limited sample size is bigger than yours . I'm in no way implying Devers is or will be better than Moncada just don't like the lucky schtik, You have more chances to get lucky when you at least put the ball in play .

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 08:15 PM) His adjustment needed to be either A. not throw so low in the zone or B. find another place the ump will call. All you can really ask from an ump is to be consistent. If he consistently not calling a pitch low in the zone a strike. Don't throw it there. I'm not saying it's right. i agree they were strikes but many umps have biases for or against certain pitches. I know where you're coming from but when you start elevating pitches from knee high to thigh high is when you start getting torched. Keep the ball down and at least when the hitter swings he can miss it or beat it into the ground. I know the title of the thread said I was biased and I only said that because I'm a Sox fan saying a Sox pitcher got hosed. I really think I was pretty fair. I saw a comment on whitesox.com discussing the strikes called and he came up with 12 pitches in the zone that weren't called strikes. He didn't mention how he came to that conclusion but it's a lot more than the 7 I listed. I had to draw the line somewhere and I explained how I drew that line . I wasn't going to list every pitch that pitch cast said nicked the strike zone. Gio only gave up 3 hits in his 5.1 innings and the big Sandoval HR most likely was a result of one of those blown calls, Instead of being down 0-2 in the count, Sandoval hits an elevated pitch on a 2-1 count.The loss doesn't really bother me . The Sox played like crap . It was a bad pitch that Sandoval hit out especially with 1st base open at the time. But does Sandoval even get that pitch if Gio is ahead 0-2 ?

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 08:38 PM) Not worried, but I think they need to seriously consider dropping switch hitting. Not worried but give up switch hitting ? Sounds like worried to me.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 08:31 AM) Devers has been horrible lately Edit- .197/.258 with a .487 OPS in his last 16 games. Regression to the mean. So now he's only hitting .300 . That's a pretty good mean.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) I agree with this as I was watching the game. Hopefully, it was a learning experience for Giolito. Certain umps. aren't going to call certain pitches. when he saw the ump wasn't calling low strikes, he needs to find something else that works. It's not right but many umps have a "he doesn't give this." As he learns umps, hopefully he can adjust. I not sure what else Gio could've done. The pitches I listed were all very good pitches. That's his job, to make good pitches .He didn't allow many hits and if he tries to adjust to the ump who knows what happens . Maybe he gets hit harder. I'd also like to point out the umps are not familiar with Gio and in time and certainly with reviews of the games by the umps ( hopefully they do these things) that Gio will get the kind of calls that veteran pitchers do.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 07:08 PM) Kanny advances! Great to see Martinez and Hickman both pitch very well.

Cycles are more rare than no hitters so tonight's cycle by Jose Abreu had to be commemorated. It's the 1st Sox cycle since Jose Valentin hit his in 2000. Perhaps more Jose's equal more cycles. Meanwhile the Sox showed no compassion for former team mate Jeff Samardzija nor did they care about the large contingent of his family there to watch him. Samardzija managed to last 5.2 innings but he gave up 8 hits , 4 of which were HR's. He allowed 6 Earned runs. The Giants , especially their bullpen eerily resembled the Sox on their worst days. This was not one of those days for the Sox offense. They belted out 18 hits. They smashed 6 HR's, 3 triples and 1 double. The 1st 5 hitters in the lineup all had HR's (Sanchez, Moncada, Abreu, Delmonico and Avi Garcia.) Tim Anderson also had a chance for the cycle only needing a double in his last AB but he K'd on 3 pitches. Final score 13-1 I would be remiss if I didn't mention the fine starting pitching of James Shields . So, again congrats to Jose Abreu on accomplishing a rare feat of hitting prowess.

I expected a longer thread for such a wild game. Abreu 1st Sox cycle since Jose Valentin in 2000. 1 double, 3 triples ,6 HR's for 43 total bases on 18 hits ?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) Right, $300k is what I meant by "penalty box money." It's possible that he literally doesn't care about money at ALL and would sign for the minimum, but unless (1) the Sox are the ONLY team that will let him hit, or (2) he's REALLY excited about being part of a rebuild, we don't have anything to offer him that another more popular and more competitive team couldn't top. Which is why I said the Sox only had a 1% chance at him in a later post. Hey it's a lot better odds than winning the powerball jackpot .

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) I read the other day that the Yankees have traded for a decent amount slot money and now sit at around $8 million. They could be a team that can offer him DH at bats as well. I think you should provide a link because my research show that's way off. http://pinstripedprospects.com/yankees-add...for-otani-24809

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 8, 2017 -> 06:59 PM) Eric Cooper is a joke back there. Usually you don't like young pitchers (players in general) complaining about calls, but Giolito was completely justified. And he did it when he was pulled. I like it. Gabe Morales is the home plate ump tonight.

I was watching the game and after an 0-1 fastball that was right down the middle at the knees to Sandoval in the 3rd inning was called a ball and Sandoval then proceeded to hit a 3 run HR I decided to rewind my DVR and check the ball/strike calls against the pitchcast calls. I don't think pitchcast is the end all be all . I acknowledge it could be wrong.So I told myself in order to have a strike that was called a ball , the ball had to be mostly or 3/4 or more of the ball had to be in the zone ,according to pitchcast. On borderline pitches like just 1/4 or a sliver of the ball in the zone I gave the benefit of the doubt to the umpire, The home plate umpire was Gabe Morales and right from the get go it was pretty obvious he was not going to give Gio the low strike . Now some of you may blame the framing by the catcher but most of the bad calls were on fastballs and Gio being as tall as he is certainly has some downward tilt on low fastballs that will drag a catchers glove down. I happen to believe a fastball should be the easiest pitch for the ump to accurate call. 1 .1st inning a fastball to Span at the the knees was called a ball probably a 4 seamer 2. A fastball to Hundley was down and in perfect pitch but called a ball , maybe a 2 seamer . 3. 2nd inning to Mac Williamson again down and in great pitch called a ball.Williamson then got on 1st with the error by Davidson. 4 With Williamson running Gio throws a fastball right down the middle low but whole ball easily in the zone , called a ball but Williamson caught stealing for 3rd out. 5. This was the pitch to Sandoval where instead of 0-2 it was called a ball changing the whole complexion of the AB. 6. 6th inning 0-1 curve to Posey called a ball clearly in the zone. After that Moncada missed the pop up and then things really got out of hand. 1-2 pitch to Hundley a nasty curve/slider and according to pitchcast its in the zone but pitch caught way off the plate and low . I will not count this as a strike. It's doubtful many umps would've called it a strike Ump gets the benefit of the doubt over pitchcast. 7. Pitch to Pence again a beautiful low fastball fully in the zone on 0-1 pitch. Steve Stone mentions Gio not getting low strikes. Pence walked on 3-2 pitch that was another well located fastball away and waist high . This was a pitch where pitchcast said caught the zone slightly but because I'm trying to be unbiased will call a ball and Crawford out at 2nd since he was going on the pitch. Will never know if he would've been out or safe since he may have slowed up when he saw ump didnt raise his arm for the strike. So instead of being out of the inning there's still 1 out and bases loaded. Gio is removed , gets ejected, angry at lack of strike calls no doubt. Renteria ejected sticking up for Gio So in my estimation thats 7 great pitches, the kind you want your pitcher to make all low or low and in strikes that were called balls and 2 others that maybe couldve been called strikes but weren't that the ump gets the benefit of the doubt over the pitchcast indicator.. There were also 1 or 2 others that caught a sliver of the plate called balls that I did not list.