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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) There are also a decent amount of contracts that have been offered after first year's. You really don't see hundred million contracts happen until after renewal years are done. Probably 4th year at least, if not 5th to get comps for that. However in the scenario I mentioned about Otani being an instant success as a hitter and pitcher there would be literally no one to compare him. In that kind of 1st year while paying him minimum wage MLB salary and the 300K bonus the Sox stand to make millions of dollars in endorsements and at the box office. He would be unlike any kind of 1st year player ever if he can be a successful 2 way player. Therefore it is reasonable to assume a contract extension that was uniquely structured would not be out of line based on his unique situation. They would simply be paying him what he is worth to the franchise.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 11:16 AM) The thing is you can't discuss an extension during these negotiations, that would be considered tampering by MLB and has already been warned against. I would also be willing to bet that any extension that didn't look like an extension that has already been signed by someone around MLB would get thrown out. You are probably talking something like Tim Anderson's contract, and not a nine figure deal. Well let's say for example he came to the Sox and was an instant star as a pitcher and a hitter far surpassing Anderson;s value after his 1st year. Then an extension could be offered that dwarfs Anderson's deal. I would think the league would be very unlikely to void such a contract extension. If Otani becomes an instant sensation imagine the repercussions on the rebuild, It would give the Sox another star pitcher and hitter. The benefit to the Sox in that case would be astronomical both on the field , in endorsements, and at the box office.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) Huh? It's not like he can sign a mega-deal. The most he could sign for is literally for a bonus of about $10 mill. If the Sox somehow were able to sign him, it would be a miracle haha The odds are long but not in the miracle category. The Sox have some advantages especially if they wanted to extend him after his 1st year. (See my post above). Tadahito Iguchi was actually the 1st full time Japanese position player to win a World Series and last I heard he was still playing and if the Sox signed Otani it would actually have to be for less than the Sox signed Iguchi back in 2005. Iguchi was at Sox Fest just a few years ago if I remember correctly and was still playing in Japan at that time. He has probably met Otani. The Sox could ask Iguchi to be their Otani ambassador . The hierarchy of the Sox front office is almost the same as it was when Iguchi signed .

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) Actually hope Hahn continues to stay away Not big on this kid There is no reason to stay away from him. If the Sox sign him it would be literally for chump change.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 12:13 PM) Hey maybe there was an ulterior motive to giving Anderson that contract. Call it the Otani Plan. It sets a precedent that you can extend a players contract with minimal servicetime where the league didn't step in and void it. I know I am delusional but just because the most the Sox can offer is $300K shouldn't mean they shouldn't pursue their 1% shot at him. Life is often stranger than fiction. Ya never know. Just as I suspected . This is from the Yahoo article : Since the new rules regarding international players were announced, the question surrounding Otani has been some derivation of: How is he going to skirt them? Officials at MLB insist any effort to subvert the spirit of the rule will not be allowed. Would the league, for example, attempt to cancel a nine-figure contract extension for Otani if he stars in his first season? One official said precedent will matter, and any contract that doesn’t have a forebear will be considered a violation. So the Sox set a precedent with how they extended Anderson. This appears to give the Sox some leverage. Might have to keep an eye on any team this winter that extends a rookie who has had a decent 1st year if extending Otani's contract is judged on whether a team has extended a players contract after one season. So right now the Sox would hve a big advantage.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 10:11 AM) 20 off days besides the four day break, and they still have a stretch of 33 games in 34 days. June 5 - July 8. Scheduling 2,430 games for 30 teams is a tough thing. It would make so much more sense going back to the 154 game schedule with more teams in the playoffs . I know it will never happen but hell games are too long, season is too long. Is baseball purposefully trying to destroy itself ? Pitchers seem to suffer the most. Toss in Hawks rants on his theory of tight seams on baseballs causing a lot of pitchers injuries and long season and pitchers are getting destroyed .

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 09:25 AM) I hate the label "bust" for players who have their careers destroyed by injury. I also hate when fans blame players for their injuries. Like the player some how has any control on staying healthy. Football is brutal and multiple players get hurt every game. This. I have no idea why anyone plays football. Well I do the whole manly man , honor and glory, stardom and on and on but jeez parents steer your kids to baseball.

Burger, Call and Roman doing all the damage so far with Kanny ahead in the 6th 5-4 .

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) Damnit, Engel could have scored easily on Yolmer's hit. Yes but unfortunately you have to hesitate to make sure that line drive is not caught. See the liners through is the old baseball adage so you don't get doubled off. I know the pitcher was left handed but I was hoping Yolmer would steal second and KC would not have attempted to throw him out thus lessening Jose's chance to ground into a DP . I understand why he didn't attempt to steal with the lefty out there and Yolmer's SB percentage not being great plus Perez arm. But if they do threw all the way through then Engel steals home so think KC doesn't try to get Yolmer. Probably a fake throw to second then hope to catch Engel too far from 3rd or make the throw but it gets caught in front of 2nd to attempt to get Engel at home. Had he been on second instead of 1st maybe Abreu changes his approach.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 07:10 AM) And this is the same batting stance he arrived with, right? Keep it Adam. Yep still K'ing a lot and some bad pitchers but good to see he can hit some mistakes .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 07:41 AM) I really liked him putting down the bunt for a hit last night. Take those free bases where ever you can get them. I think that was 2 nights ago. Yesterday it was an infield hit,

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 07:55 AM) Last night was about as perfect of a night to win as you can get. What was strange was watching KC play just awful and stupid defense. Oh that play where Avi was running on the pitch . He was rounding second just about as Cain was catching the fly ball. Avi got back amazingly fast when most players just would ve assumed the double play but he still should've been out by a country mile. Avi got back so fast I thought he had cut across the infield which would be an automatic put for not retouching 2nd base. I was hoping to see a camera angle just on Avi but never did.

Engel showing some signs of life with the bat lately. 3 of last 4 games have been multi hit efforts. Last 7 games his line is .320 .346. .640 .986

I'll take the win when Moncada , Lopez and Engel all do well. Engel with multi hit games in 3 of the last 4 .

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 08:36 AM) I want to know how many cycles actually finish on the triple. Seems like cycle watch always begins when someone has a triple to start the game. Incredible to finish it off with one, especially for a slower big guy. Who had also just fouled a pitch off his ankle and was in obvious pain.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 9, 2017 -> 09:02 PM) Why would they bring him back? Makes absolutely no sense with all these solid prospects and some of the current guys needing at bats. Could somebody answer why you would accept Melky coming back when we have plenty of outfielders who could get MLB at bats in a season where we are tanking again? All you people who don't want to spend any money at all. Why the hell would you give Melky a contract that would keep him in Chicago 2-3 more years. I'd love to hear from anybody who thinks this is a good idea. Now if you say you want Melky so we can keep losing ... uh, we have plenty of hitters in the minors who could play the outifield next year to help us keep losing. I'm totally baffled and mad when I think about this Melky thing. New age Sox fans who worship the advanced stats just floor me. Sorry for my anger but Melky coming back makes NO sense to me at all. It makes no sense if you want to win; it makes no sense if you want to tank some more. You take things too literally. DA was paraphrasing not reporting exact quotes from Hahn. It's possible we bring Melky back in GM speak is translated to this: It's also possible the world ends tomorrow.or if he signs for really cheap .

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) LOL. All I know is I now find out he hit TWO home runs today and has 31 and 90 RBIs. I am AMAZED at the lack of praise on here about Jose. You aren't gonna be thrilled if Eloy has a 31 homer season with 90 ribbies on Sept. 10 some season?? And I watched Fulmer's highlights today. Lot of scorn on this board for Fulmer who had nasty stuff. My eyes can tell me that. Man I'm glad I'm not a stat geek. My eyes tell me Jose is special and I wouldn't count Fulmer out yet. He had some pop today and breaking stuff too. The world would be nicer if fans were all like el Rockin. Drives me crazy the lack of respect for Jose this season on this board. There's tons of love for Jose from this board. I see it all the time and you'd have to be blind not to see it. ron883 has been scorned for his bad opinions on Jose. The board thinks he el loco. How soon we forget. Better work on some things to sharpen the old coocnut.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) Let's let that hypothetical happen then. Fulmer has been bad for over a year. He's been bad in AAA, he's been bad in the majors. He's been bad as a reliever and starter. I'm really glad he had a good start that featured lots of Ks. But no, I don't expect a lot out of him. Doesn't mean anyone is rooting for his failure to be right. And so that's the reality. Maybe today's start had some incredible change that sets him on a trajectory for success. Or it was just a random good start against a team we are vying for position on. I don't think any Sox players career will be decided by a single game, but I think the white Sox org trajectory very well might. I am always an optimist when it comes to Sox youngsters. Hell I loved Brent Morel when he had that 9 homer September. He's 23 and yes pretty much everything about him has been disappointing but he deserves another start and I am pretty sure the Sox agree and will give him another one . I'll just take it start by start and see how it goes without any predictions.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) Yeah, that's true. I'm really not mad here. No sense going any further over something so trivial. I want the Sox to lose EVERY GAME this month. That's just me. I will admit I haven't even looked at what Bumgarner has been doing recently and even if I knew he had been struggling or not pitching up to his extremely high standards I would still expect the Giants to win. They didn't. Oh well. Good man nice to see a friendly resolution here !

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) No, him beating his chest like he's some kind of baseball savant is what's lame. Nobody is impressed because "on the second post I said they would light him up" hahaha look at me. One game out of a billion of them. WTF cares? I make predictions all the time. Some right, ALOT wrong. I can admit that. Really easy to do when you have nothing to lose either way. Oh so feisty. All I did was correct your erroneous statement that the Sox aren't supposed to beat Bum. They had a good shot at hitting him. Fulmer of course was the wild card. Even if the Sox hit Bum it's not like Fulmer couldn't have also been lit up.. I never predicted a Sox win, just that they would do well against Bum. I also see nothing wrong with beating my own chest. When people are wrong around here everyone lets them know it . When you are correct no one remembers . I make plenty of mistakes. I made that 2nd post half asleep and also predicted Bum could hit a HR against Fulmer forgetting it was a home game for the Sox.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 03:43 PM) Next time put some money on it. I rarely gamble. But I am well ahead in money won over money lost due to a huge win on the Raiders/Tampa Bay Superbowl quite a few years ago. I only made those bets because a friend was going to Vegas SB weekend so I asked him to make some bets for me. I won the 3 bets I made and came out at around $4000. I had originally made around 8 bets on that game and my friend who is a much more experienced gambler convinced me to make less bets. Funny thing was I would have won every one of the original 8 bets. But his advice was sound and I was more than happy with the win.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 11:53 AM) I feel bad but damn I do not want to win today. But on the other hand, Yolmer hit a double off bumgarner. I wonder if Carson threw 3 good starts in a row would posters still be upset about draft position. I am fairly convinced that most posters would rather be right about Fulmer being a reliever or bust than admit some good starts will go a long way towards changing their minds. I would 100% rather have Carson Fulmer be a decent 4th or 5 starter than have the 2nd over the 3rd pick or 3rd over the 4th.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) I'm not mad at the players per se. You're right. I don't want them to go out there and not try. It's just that this team is 30 games below for a reason. They're not supposed to wax Bumgarner. But that's baseball. I get it. Still sucks. Um yes the Sox are supposed to wax Bungarner. 1)He had come off an injury lately and hasn't been pitching well. 2) The Sox hit lefties well. Follow baseball and the Sox and you know they had a shot. That's why in the 2nd post of the game thread I said the Sox will light him up.

Another reason to like Fuilmer. He's wearing Dick Butkus' number.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) Outdueled is being kind. This was a straight up spanking! Hats off to Fulmer. I love eating my words. Imagine if Carson can be an effective starter.