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QUOTE(rudylaw @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 01:27 PM) I think 3y 24mil is not a bad offer for Jon. Unfortunately the market is crazy right now and he will get more elsewhere. He has had 1 good year. 3-24 is not bad for a pitcher that has had 1 good year. The way the market is set now, it's a horrible contract, especially for a 27 year old.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:59 PM) This has probably been hashed and rehashed on this thread but these rotoworld quotes let you know a few things. Colletti is aggressive and is trying to put a contender on the field this year, and has money to spend. The dodgers can afford a top tier pitcher like Garland, and could have a 72 hour window to get a long term deal done. He is a better option from a durability standpoint than Millwood, and he provides a better pitcher than Weaver ever was. The fact that they are having Appier throwing in a workout doesnt mean that he will make the team, it just means that they are open to getting pitching in any form or manner for their team. Garland to Dodgers for top tier prospects sounds like a good fit for both teams. Sure does. Get Kenny on the phone!

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:49 PM) Yes, what Vazquez did in Montreal is a few years away. He hasn't done s*** since the 1st half of the year with the Yanks (after that he was completely terrible and was very up and down for the Dbacks last year). Vazquez has good stuff, but just cause every guy has good stuff doesn't mean the Sox can just take him in and work there magic, turning them into aces. But who knows, maybe Coop is the 2nd coming of Mazzone. Mazzone is the 2nd coming of Coop is more like it.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:42 PM) You really think KW would be one to trade away from his major league team mid season and make it worse? Unless he gets major league talent back, I highly doubt KW would be willing to do that. That is, unless we aren't in contention, knock on wood. You either make it worse now and probably get inferior talent for him or you make it worse later and get better talent and probably are able to asses your needs more. I'd wait to deal him if at all.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) I'd rather have Brazoban, he tired a bit at the end of the year, given a consistent set up role, or spot relief, I think he could be lights out. I agree. He has the stuff, plus he would be the #4 or 5 reliever on the team. He'd be great whenever he came in.

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) Garland would be required to sign a deal with LA before the trade would go through. Billingsley, Guzman and Brazoban or no deal. Now you're asking for a king's ransom. I think they would give up any combination of those two players, but not all 3.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:23 PM) There will be a team that starts the season with a below average 5th starter but a decent offense that has playoff hopes at the deadline. All they will need is one more arm for a strong playoff push. They wouldn't trade for Garland now, but they definitely would at the deadline. Like in '98 Houston trading Freddy Garcia and Carlos Guillen for Randy Johnson (look at his stats that year before he was traded). I think you are right about trading him at the deadline being too risky. We don't know which Garland we will get the first half of next season and the only suitors for him at the deadline may be direct competitors in the AL. Well the whole risk thing is another aspect.

BULLs***!

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) That's what I get for having relatives who live on the east coast. We were playing the Phillies that weekend where one of the games was rained out and another was an absolute shootout where Thome destroyed us. Force them to move to the Southside of Chicago.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) In this case i most definitely think it is different. Any team that trades for him knows in advance he wants to test the market next off-season. I cannot see any team wanting half a season of a guy over a full especially if they were in need of major league pitching. Also, it is way to risky for the sox to wait until the dead line because garland is far from a lock to repeat his numbers of last year. His stock is at an all time high with the white sox as far as i am concerned. I disagree. I think any team that's in contention that needs a SP will go after him. Look at us and Freddy. Reed was considered a top prospect, Olivo a nice catcher, and Morse a throw-in. On paper at the time, it was a great deal for Seattle. Cubs did it with Nomar knowing he was a FA at the end of the season.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 12:05 PM) Ya, I edited my response. He didn't contribute much at all in 04 but he was supposed to be their starting shortstop and I was actually at Fenway for his first game back and there was such a buzz there and he was going to help lead them to a title, yada yada. So you're willing to go to a Red Sox game at Fenway instead of spending that cash at U.S. Cellular Field?? Some type of White Sox fan you are. BANDWAGON JUMPER!!!

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:46 AM) See the Mulder deal of last year and the Vazquez deal of this past week. You can still get a good return on a quality starting pitcher before the season begins. But you could rip off teams at the deadline. You usually only get best value in the offseason for prospects. If you have a legit Major leaguer, you're better off trying to trade him at the deadline because you would get a lot better prospects who probably aren't worth it in the deal. (E.G. Farnsworth to ATL deal, Villone to FLA deal). You also trade him at the deadline because you see you may have a glaring hole in the bullpen or somewhere else and you could always plug in McCarthy in the 5th slot.

He was going crazy last night. 30 points in the 3rd. I would've continued to let him play.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:44 AM) What is Brad Penny's situation? I do not follow the NL and thought he was up and down and injury prone to a degree but what is the money situation, could he go to the pen? I think Garland will be dealt and signed by that team as part of a blockbuster deal. The team that trades for him will not do so as a one year stopgap. Remember if he is traded and not resigned, they get two first round picks most likely. Penny will start. They still are 1 starter short.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) That would be scary. Check out his control. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/d...brazelton.shtml 5.05 BB/9 in the majors. That's why we get Coop to work with him.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) I'm calling BS. If Arizona was able to get a five-tool, potential superstar in Chris Young for a pitcher who has been league average for the past two years, and who carries a big contract -- then we NEED to land either Billingsley or Guzman. If we don't get those two, it better be one helluva package that includes both Miller, Jackson, Broxton, and possibly another prospect. If given the choice between Billingsley and Guzman, I think I'd take Billingsley, just because we're going to need a cheap starter besides B-Mac in the next year or two. I'm also slightly worried about Guzman's 3/1 K/BB ratio (almost 130 K's); but that's me also doing a bit of nit-picking, as he was only 20 last year in AA. If a team doesn't want to give KW a knock-your-socks-off type deal right now, wait till the trade deadline. Because, I'm pretty sure Garland would be the TOP commodity at the deadline. Gosh, I'm so hoping for a Kazmir-for-Zambrano type, lopsided deal. Which is why I think Kenny will wait for the deadline. That's when you could rip off teams for their prospects.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) I hope Willie is back. He's a better player than a lot of you think. I would probably take Willie over Gload simply because we know Ozzie likes speed. The second the Sox got Makoviak, I think Gloads days in this org were done (imo). Byrnes wouldn't be bad (I happen to like the guy). I think he's pretty solid all around, but IIRC he had a rough 05. Still I think someone will give him pretty decent money. Also, when did Byrnes move to RF? I remember with the A's the guy was always in left. I agree with your assesment. BRING BACK WILLIE!

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) That should be in green I'd give him a look as a reliever, no doubt.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 10:02 AM) Did I win our sig bet already? B) Until I see Garland trying out a new jersey at a press conference before ST starts, it definately aint over.

DeWon Brazleton. Lock him up Kenny.

Haha, I love it.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 09:59 AM) Billingsley is the Dodgers version of Bmac for the sox last yr. Not going in any deal. Well then, we will ship Garland elsewhere.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 09:41 AM) I'd take Fogg over Baj. However, Fogg will probably make more money than the Sox are willing to pay. I believe he also would be better than Baj, but probably would demand alot more cash.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 09:55 AM) How is Joel defensively? We'll have him work at 3B. We'll make him good if he likes it or not.

Bingo. I like that trade. Preferably it'll be both Guzman and Billingsley. It has to be at least one of them. I don't think Levine told us anything we already didn't know unless he said it would be before ST.