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QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 11:19 PM) Gordon has ever shown good iq? Ya, we he takes a 3-1 fast break three or tries to force up a ''giant killer'' instead of actually trying to get to the rim. He passing is awful and he handles are overated. He has good moves but is very sloppy, many times while dribbling he nearly falls over to regain his dribbles. Strong enough to handle guards in the post? We have no one that can do that ( guards)...which is why teams like new jersey, boston, and the cavs give us problems. I really do not see what so many see in him. He is one of the most overated players in the league, most have figured this out outside of bulls fans... he is thought of as a savior. We suck against any team with a big man that can score. Look at last year. Our guards held opposing team's backcourts down. They were like in top5 in scoring against by backcourt. Most Bulls fans don't want him, but he is good. He'll actually win you games. I just don't think the 3 guard rotation works. I think the Bulls either need to get rid of Kirk or Gordon. God knows they'll never get rid of Kirk because he can do no wrong, so it'll be Gordon.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) I was all for Gordon starting over Duhon, and I still see Duhon as a glorified bench player...but I'm still going to have to disagree. Gordon is way too streaky to be a consistent scorer in this league, and his defense continues to hinder him. What tools are you seeing? Height isn't one of them. The lack of solid defense, careless turnovers, and streaky shooting outweigh when he is on for me. I do like him a lot when he is on, though. Height definately isn't one of them, but he has the IQ and he is strong enough to handle guards in the post. He also knows a thing or two about defensive positioning.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 10:39 PM) Well, I wouldn't be that excited just yet...as has been mentioned, this draft is considered weak, weaker than 2000...and we all know how that worked out after we ended up with two of the top four players... The draft isn't weak.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 10:45 PM) We need a go to scorer desperately who can score in many ways--that is Morrison. At the 2 guard/small forward position is where you find your scorers and players who aren't great defensively. Morrison can be a dynamic scorer, but plays hard on defense (what Gordon really doesn't do.) If he is on this team, he is the best offensive threat because he can bring every night from anywhere. Gordon is a scorer and has the tools of a good defensive player. For Morrison it's just not there. Gordon could do anything Morrison does and better if Skiles gave him the damn ball instead of Hinrich or Duhon while he's out on the court. Problem is Skiles has tried to change Gordon and it's not working. Gordon does best in the 4th(at least last year) in large part because that's when Skiles let's Gordon go loose. Morrison can try all he wants, but I rather take the guy with tools.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 10:35 PM) There is a big difference though, Gordon is an all offensive 2 guard at 6-3 while Morrison is a 6-8 2 guard that plays hard all the time. Morrison is not a bad defensive player, he is coachable and plays old-school. You underestimate his defensive abilities. Morrison is an offensive SF. He's way too slow to play SG. Hell, some people think he may be too slow to play SF at the next level. And Morrison is horrible on defense. He plays great offensively in terms of scoring, but he has nothing else.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 12:50 PM) There was a threas a while back that discussed Stojakovic to the Bulls. Someone posted an articles talking about the connections between Stojakovic and Skiles and how Paxson said he would go after him or something along those lines. That's nothing but speculation. If Pax said that, it would be considered tampering. I know Stojakovic played for Skiles in Europe, but it's not happening. That's why the rumors have started with him and the Bulls. Nothing solid though.

You claim Ben isn't a Skiles type player, but yet want Morrison who is the definition of all O and no D. Very weird. Anyway, LaMarcus Aldridge or bust.

QUOTE(SnB @ Dec 26, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) I'd love to see arow back in some black and white pinstripes You're a Marlins fan? In all honesty, I don't see him coming back.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Dec 25, 2005 -> 01:30 PM) First of all I hope Grossman can do well. I am not sold on him (he had a 47.1 QB rating) and I don't think he is a great QB but hopefully I am wrong. With that being said you guys need to give it up for Kyle Orton. He had one of the best seasons for a rookie QB. Probably one of the best rookie QB's of all time. I think he has a future with the Bears and he is probably the Bears future QB. He needs to improve on some stuff like adjusting to not taking snaps from a shotgun. He played in a spread offense at Purdue and that is always a big adjustment for QB's like that who are now in the NFL (see Alex Smith). With all that being said give the guy his due instead of trashing him all the time. One more thing that Marv Leavy said that I found interesting. "Kyle Orton's 'management' of the season thus far has saved the Bears's management and their season." Um, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Grossman is the better QB at least for now.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Dec 24, 2005 -> 03:53 PM) Nothing happened, right after he scored, the ref was right on top of him so nothing could happen. Although he was trying to get something to happen, but the ref was just telling him not to do anything. Then he went over by the bench and threw gifts to the fans. That was his original plan. I mean, he probably at first wanted a reindeer, but the NFL probably told him no, so he just brought the bag himself. He handed out autographed stuff and Bengals Division Champ stuff. Very very nice gesture.

I can't believe I didn't see this earlier. Happy belated birthday!!!!

In the fun fun location that is known as Morgan Park.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 24, 2005 -> 01:04 AM) Well I guess thats where we differ... I tend to find that stuff hilarious.... now TO obviously took it a little 2 far off the field this season but on the field he is one of my favorite players to watch for his talent and celebrations. But Nite you arent a cowboys player and if you met TO in rl and started a fight with him... you would be the one in the hospital because he would totally beat your ass down. I'd go down swinging.

Here's his myspace: http://www.frycookonvenus.com/misc/dungy/ I don't know how someone got it. Some signs on there make him out to be a joker and some stuff makes him look kind of "i dont know".

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 05:40 PM) If it is, I hope he loses his crank. Just play the f***ing game. As long as he doesn't have it s*** on a flag of the other team, it's fine by me. It's entertaining when you're not trying to embarass the other team.

I highly doubt this deal gets done.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 12:28 PM) That's exactly right. To be honest, I like the bears chances to reach the Superbowl over Indys chances. Cinci, NE and Pit are all MAJOR threats to Indy. I still say Indy is the favorite in the AFC . But the bears have an easier road. Cincy - too young. They even had a chance to beat the Colts, but their defense is not yet up to par with their offense. Pit - Look very weak. Roth is hurt. They might win a WC game, but nothing more. NE - Making the playoffs because of playing in their division. They're weak this year. The only team worth watching in the AFC other than the Colts is Cincy just because of their stars and the fact that they have the best chance to knock off Indy. The NFC is much better to watch simply because everyone literally does have a chance. Seattle is strongest by record, but you honestly can't call who's going to win the NFC. There's no team that's broke away.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 12:28 PM) The whole saga was funny to me. First in the endzone star then at midfield and then when he got popped by Teague. And this would never happen to the Bears, if TO tried something stupid with the logo, Mike Brown is on his ass in a second. Yeah, probably after he did it once. When he did it to the Cowboys the first time, no one knew where he was running or anything, they just saw him running and saying, "wtf is he doing?" Brown maybe pops him the 2nd time.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 12:32 PM) It is known and has been known that the Bulls' main target is Stojakovic. By who? I haven't seen anything about the Bulls looking to obtain Peja, especially with the year he's having this year. The only blurb I heard about him came from his agent in a article from a year ago.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 05:51 AM) I think you need to calm down a little lol. This team wasnt built to win this season.... the point was for guys to get better and have our real playoff run next season when we add 2 impact players in F/A and 2 draft picks and by the way it looks so far possibly a top 3 pick from the Knicks. If we add the likes of Al Harrington and Nazr Mohammed... than draft like Rudy Gay/Adam Morrison plus some big guy with our other pick.... and still suck start getting mad but if you really expected much from this team at the begining of the season you were just being a homer. Well they are going about it the wrong way. With the exception of last night, they've misused Gordon big time and it's really hindering his development to the point in which I wouldn't be suprised if he just left after his contract was up. They try to make him a spot up shooter when his game was nothing like that. They also need to give Deng the ball more so he can create for himself alot more often. The plan you suggest is basically have this year as a throwaway year and wait for FA's to come in. Al Harrington isn't going to help this team as much as people think. Nazr is nothing without Tim Duncan or at least he hasn't proven to be anything without him. As far as Gay or Morrison, where do you plan on putting them? Both are pure SF's. We already have 2. LaMarcus Aldridge is the guy we need to go after. He draws alot of comparisons to Jermaine O'Neal and worst case scenario's have him as Channing Frye. He plays defense unlike Frye, however. This draft class is not weak. It's not the strongest of the decade, but I'd say it's 2nd strongest. People call it weak because the lack of "star" power which is the wrong way to evaluate a draft class.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 12:10 AM) That was hilarious. I could maybe understand the star in the endzone, but not in the middle of the field. I was glad he was knocked on his ass when he tried it. If I were a Cowboys player, I personally would've knocked him on the ass for disrespecting my team's logo. I love endzone celebrations, but disrespecting a team's logo is out of the question. Would you like it if TO ran to midfield at Soldier Field after he scored a TD? I bet not because he would be disrespecting the "C".

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) Uuuum, what makes you say that? Some team in Indy.

Good read. I would love to be able to host the NCAA Final Four. Plus they plan on having this stuff built around the UIC campus. That would be fantastic since I spend most of my day there anyway.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 23, 2005 -> 02:52 AM) Agreed. Although I don't see the O's dealing Bedard in any deal with the Cubs (imo). In offer 2, the Cubs are giving up Prior and Hill for arguably the best SS in the game, a #3 pitcher, and a top OF prospect. Prior isn't worth that much. Hill only has his curve as of now(even Cub fans admit this). 2 is a bad deal for the O's.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 22, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) back when TO did the sharpee and played with pom poms... that was great... hell dancing on the star against the cowboys was great too.... but yeah this season he was more annoying than anything else.... and Im not even a big D-Mac fan. The dancing on the star was not great.