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QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) Chicago gets: Eric Chavez (Oakland), Justin Duchscherer (Oakland) Oakland gets: Jon Garland (CWS), Justin Germano (Cincy), Austin Kearns (Cincy) Cincy gets: Joe Crede (CWS), mid-level prospects (Oakland) I take that over Blalock, Wilkerson and a 'spect. I like it.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) No offense nite but there is no way the Blue Jays are better then last years sox team. I didn't say that. I said, they'd be better than this year's White Sox team with no moves. Thomas probably would've been hurt again, Everett would've kept on with his wild swing, no one to protect Konerko, and we wouldn't have gotten the same lucky bounces as we did last year.

Blalock 2004: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Pre All Star 86 353 58 107 22 2 23 68 33 80 0 1 .303 .369 .572 .941 Post All-Star 73 271 49 65 16 1 9 42 42 69 2 1 .240 .338 .406 .743 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Home 80 315 63 98 20 2 16 63 41 76 2 2 .311 .386 .540 .926 Away 79 309 44 74 18 1 16 47 34 73 0 0 .239 .323 .460 .782 Blalock 2003: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Home 70 275 50 94 19 1 18 53 27 44 2 2 .342 .399 .615 1.014 Away 73 292 39 76 14 2 11 37 17 53 0 1 .260 .301 .435 .736 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Pre All Star 81 313 50 101 19 1 14 48 26 53 0 2 .323 .375 .524 .899 Post All-Star 62 254 39 69 14 2 15 42 18 44 2 1 .272 .319 .520 .839 I'd think it's pretty accurate to say that Blalock is not a 2nd half hitter, nor is he a good hitter outside of his ballpark.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) Right there you should have stopped yourself... Try not to make yourself look like an idiot, please. Blalock is just as good on defense, is better on offense, even away from his home park, he hit better than Crede did AT HOME. And his agent is not Boras, and he is cheap. Seriously, come on. Did Blalock on the road hit better than Crede on the road?

QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:57 PM) You cant base his whole career on SPLIT statistics from 2005. Blalock had an off year last year and still hit 25 dingers and 92 rbis. The guy played in 161 games, 170 hits, 279 total bases and compare these to Crede's numbers and its a no contest. I understand, we owe a lot to Crede for his heroics in the playoffs, but some needs to tell Crede that the first 7 innings of a game are not extra BP I mean the guy only hits from the 7th inning and later. I think you have Crede way over valued, Blalock is a far better hitter and not too shabby at D either. Also if you mix in Crede's back problems, his agent, and even his age then Blalock is a much better option at third. Bring up the splits from the year before.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) This is a load of crap, too. Chacin ain't nothing special. He would be a relief pitcher for us assuming that we kept the same precise starting staff as last year. Perhaps you also forgot about our superior bullpen and defense up the middle last year, but then again, I would expect as much from you. Chacin not being anything special is a load of crap. Sure, Toronto overpaid for all of their additions this year, but they would've been better than the White Sox this year. I don't exactly remembering praising Chen and Cabrera. Could you link me? Honestly, I don't remember that. I like Cabrera's stuff, but that's as far as I remember in terms of praising. But please help me remember me. Oh yeah, since you know so much about me, what did I have for dinner last night?

He will eat before the day is over. I guarentee it.

I know what we should do. Stick Garland in the bullpen. He'll be good out of the bullpen with that sinker, plus it lessens his value as a middle reliever big time. Then we resign him to a 7 mil a year deal and he'll be forced to accept or be on another one year deal. That way, McCarthy can start.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) Joe Crede is going to turn into a monster for the Sox in 2006, just like he was in the postseason. No doubt.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) Why not sign Dotel and Urbina..to incentavie laced deals for 2 years.. Whats the worst than can happen? Urbina .. Attempts to kill Dotel? I was actually thinking the same thing though.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:25 PM) Yeah, okay. Remember when you were telling me that Baltimore was a playoff team last year? I don't know how you go about evaluating teams, but something is just horribly wrong. Baltimore was until Raffy f'd up, their pitching went down the sh*tter and they didn't want to make the proper moves for a strong run. You're telling me if that team is any other divisions minus the AL Central or East, they don't make the playoffs? I'll beg to differ. They would've made it in any of the other ones. Toronto would've been a better team than us next year if we didn't make any moves. They get Halladay back for a full year, with Burnett, with Chacin(a year under his belt), with Ryan, and with Overbay.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:24 AM) It now sounds like Garland will be traded: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44409 To who exactly? Nothing is of strong enough substance.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 11:28 AM) Its just amazing to me that this guy can call on McNabb to give up his money, just like that. What Tom Brady did was without a doubt generous. However, it should not be expected for all QBs to take the same route. Peyton Manning took the max contract, as did Vick, and I dont hear Wyatt complaining about those two QBs not giving their money back to the team to redistribute among players. And the thing that gets me the most about the whole situation is that Brian Westbrook was the player to complain. He was the one without a contract, yet T.O. is the one with all the facetime and b****es and complaints. T.O. was already getting paid pretty well, and now this asshat from the NAACP thinks that it isnt enough and that McNabb is being greedy. Correct me if I am wrong, but NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Yet, Mondesire feels the need to be divisive among colored people who have made good with their lives, because one is getting paid more than the other. What a hyprocritical piece of s*** that this article is. Tell me about it. How did this guy get his position?

Meh, I'll disagree with you guys. Tyson was a stud in high school who never improved due to horrible coaching and a weak frame and non-work over the summer. The idea of having two seven footers on your front line for years to come(Baby Shaq & Baby Garnett as some called them) was too good of an idea to pass up. Let's be honest here, with Brand we would've been stuck in mediocrity. We would've been too good to get the players we needed around him(because of the draft) and we probably would've stuck with coaching like Tim Floyd who Brand made look better than he ever was. The idea was great, but Tyson and Eddy never panned out(like they were supposed to) because of a strong lack of good coaching and other reasons as well. Brand would've never made this city a winner. I guarentee that. Did we lose the trade? Hell yeah we did, but it wasn't a stupid trade when you put yourself in the mind of Krause at the time. C-Eddy Curry PF-Tyson Chandler SF-Eddie Robinson(who had tons of talent; even the Spurs wanted to sign him when he was a FA) SG-Trenton Hassell(he was at the moment) PG-Jamal Crawford(has stud potential, but again, hasn't been able to put it all together)

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) Did he though? Getting good players is only half the equation to making a successful baseball team have a following. You also need a good place to play and a good marketing strategy to get fans to become Fans. How did he market the Marlins in 2004? What promotions did they do to make the team more palatable to Miami? Yeah, the team won 2 world series in the last 15 years. Great. But if you never identified with the team to begin with, why would you come back to it? At least the White Sox have a longer history to tie into then the Marlins do. Something tells me if our franchise was 15 years old, we'd have similar problems building a dependable fan base. It wasn't until we got our marketing turned around that things started to change for us... He got the players, he tried to fight for a better stadium(has been fighting for once since he got there) and didn't get one. Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if the Marlins drew more on the road than at home. Their team made the same promotions as almost every other team. They're just not drawing. Marlin fans(not the diehards) are not really interested in the Marlins unless they get a new stadium which probably won't happen. That's the reality. Florida baseball fans only care about the teams outside their state like the Yankees and Red Sox most notably.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:05 PM) well, there are no such things as MR prospects. You're either being groomed to be a starter or a closer, failing and settling into a MR role; or you're left-handed. I didn't think Tracey was considered a closing prospect. Just a starter or middle relieving prospect.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 12:12 PM) IMO there are as many White Sox fans as Cubs fans in terms of raw numbers, but the Cubs will draw more fans for 2 reasons. 1. For the most part, their fans simply have more money. That's not to say our fans are poor, but Cubs fans usually are quite wealthy by what I've seen. 2. The Cubs play in a damn amusement park, and if they want to continue playing in that hellhole to draw fans, fine....just keep losing! Bingo.

Brilliant.

I love it.

How about Jon Garland to the Cardinals for P Adam Wainwright and an up and coming MR in the Cards organization.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) We get a bum shoulder in the deal though too... Think of all the medical advertising opportunities. Maybe he'll come up and play in Game 7 of the ALCS with a bloody shoulder and back and crank one out of the ballpark and well invade Fenway and talk about it 500 times for each time we see him on the field. And Frankie Francisco only throws chairs at opposing teams fans. He seems like the Ozzie type.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 11:21 AM) Ha, that's the exact same comparison I thought of. He's got a better fastball in terms of mph but his motion is one where his fastball would sneak up there on hitters. Great minds think alike.

I'll buy them. Then I'll trade Francouer, Hudson, and Andruw Jones to the White Sox for a bag of peanuts.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) I want to say first that I love the idea of Tracey coming out of the bullpen. I don't think much of him as a starting pitching propsect but I think he can be damn solid out of the pen especially being the last guy out of the pen to replace Viz. Yeah, I don't know about him as a starter. When most scouting websites say he could be either/or, that means he'll be better off in the bullpen. His arm would be Neal Cotts from the right side.

No need in trading Crede for Blalock. Crede won't be a FA after the year anyway. Plus I rather keep the more clutch player. I'd trade Garland for Danks and try to get Frankie Francisco in the process. This team has no other need for another OF. We have Macowiak and Ozuna just in case Crede does go down. With Frankie, we get a solid bullpen arm and we get a top pitching prospect for Garland. If you're going to trade Crede, try to package him with Garland and get Eric Chavez.