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I heard about this. Donovan McNabb = class act. Philadelphia rep of NAACP = complete utter dumbass.

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:32 AM) 11 wins > 6 wins Tyson's ability to change shot selection > Eddy's ability to do NOTHING besides score in the post..... well score whenever except when the game is on the line. I'm not even a Knicks fan, but it's dumb for any Bulls fan to argue Tyson against Eddy. It's not even close. Tyson is the one with all the health problems right about now. The Bulls have more wins, but they have won in spite of Tyson which is why he is not back on the bench. Eddy has improved his rebounding and one on one defense. I'm not saying he's an all defensive player, but Eddy Curry > Tyson Chandler and it's by a large margin.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 08:02 AM) Wow, what a response, if some of these posters had as many brains as pimples I'd be concerned. The last team to repeat was the 2000 New York Yankees. They changed the 5th starter, everyone else who played a lot was back. They also won in 1998 with the same group but had not added Clemens yet so David Wells was there. The 2002 Angels stood pat and didn't repeat , but they went through injuries that would sink anybody. So I don't buy that a Championship team absolutely must make massive changes to repeat. We will never know if the 2005 group was good enough to repeat. The 2006 team might be as good or better but it is a different team. I especially don't like bringing in Vazquez who I think is overrated and overhyped. I don't see where the innings to replace Marte and Vizcaino's situations are going to come from. I'm saddened by all this, and I question KW's wisdom. We didn't overgo a massive rehaul. We still have 4 of our starters. We have the main staples in our bullpen, we still have TIMO!!! We're making necessary adjustments to insure that our team has a chance next year. Let's be honest, there was tons of luck involved last year. And I mean tonsss. You don't expect us to get a lead in the first 30+ games we play this year, do you? I certainly don't. Our offense also pretty much sucked last year until the playoffs. That needed an upgrade. We upgraded with minimal change. Last year's team wasn't going to win it again this year. I can guarentee that. All the teams were getting better, we couldn't afford to just stand pat. Hell, Toronto would've been a better team than us. Detroit probably would've been right with us next year if we kept the same team.

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:39 AM) Did anyone see pics of Eddy Curry wearing spandex capri's under his shorts? embarassing... im very glad he gawn 23 points, 6 rebounds > whatever Tyson has done this whole season.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:18 AM) You think it's crap..? I thought it was an awesome stadium. Maybe for football. Loria tried his best, tried to build on the WS in '03, paid for Carlos Delgado who is a franchise type hitter and fans still didn't show up.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:39 AM) For all those who think the Sox could get Carl Crawford for Garland.............forget about it. No way. Why would TB trade a guy they have signed to a reasonable contract for a guy who certainly would walk away at the end of the season. Very true. We would also have to throw in another top prospect like a Sean Tracey.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 07:32 AM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44409&st=0 http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=132181 Speculation. Get me something that says, "White Sox are nearing deal with [insert team here] for so and so." Until then, he's not being traded and he's in the starting rotation.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 06:47 AM) That quote is a broad over-simplification. The Sox have done everything right RE: Garland and contracts throughout his career. He was considered and underachiever, the type of pitcher you would be more likely to non-tender rather than sign to a long term deal. They kept avoiding arbitration through one year deals, with the intention to sign him long-term should he ever break through. -- BUT, his breakthrough came at such a time -- when young free-agent pitchers are making gobs and gobs of money, and entering his final year of arbitration -- that the Sox have no leverage. Garland is right to decline any offer of less than the 5 years/55M that Burnett got. If the Sox think that Garland is simply "taking it out on them," they're flat wrong. He has the upper-hand, and he will make a fair decision. Just like when the Sox had the upper hand in his first 5 years, they made the fair decision. I agree. In no way do I fault either party for doing what they're doing. I can still remain a Sox fan and a Jon Garland fan. If he's gone, when he's gone, I'll still root for him until he goes up against the Black, White, and Silver.

Wow, I never thought about Tracey, but I think he would be a great RHP replacement.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 06:08 AM) KW loves the fact of having a 6th starter for insurance reasons. All BMac does is replace El-duque's spot in the bullpen for a year. He will spot start when needed and come 2007- he will be one of our ACEs. I don't see Garland being traded- unless its for an impact type player such as Tejada or Crawford. I doubt we get Tejada- KW loves the Crede/Uribe connection on the left side of the infield- they are cheap and are awesome defensively. Crawford on the other hand makes sense- since TB has many solid OFers in there system they will want starting pitching galore for him. Can we see a possible 3-way deal for him?? With KW you never know. Garland to Baltamore, pitching prospects from Baltamore and us to TB, Crawford to the Sox. I love speculating this time of year. Bingo. McCarthy's in the pen.

Buy the DVD if you miss your 2005 White Sox. It's called necessary improvements. And BTW, Geoff Blum was going back west no matter what. He has a newborn that he hasn't seen much of.

It's funny seeing people say, "Nah, that won't happen. BMac is too good for that." Maybe it will happen. We haven't had a guy who could go a couple of innings out of the bullpen. I say he stays in there if no one is dealt.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 07:48 PM) Without reading the million posts or starting a new thread .. tell me bout Chris Young. How good is he? Is he a star in the making or just another guy? I like the pickup but I worry bout losing Young. Most people around here think he's a star in the making. He might be, I personally don't care. You give something to get something.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 07:00 PM) You're just scratching and digging for numbers now.... That's not digging for numbers. Look at the 2nd half.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 06:50 PM) Crede doesn't even do good at home. He hit .235 at the Cell. :puke Let's look at 2nd halves as well.

Blalock: Entire Season TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG vs Left-handed Pitcher Texas Rangers 109 194 15 38 7 0 8 19 69 7 53 1 0 .228 .356 .196 vs Right-handed Pitcher Texas Rangers 148 453 65 132 27 0 17 73 210 44 79 0 0 .354 .464 .291 Home Texas Rangers 81 313 54 93 14 0 20 63 167 30 62 1 0 .361 .534 .297 Away Texas Rangers 80 334 26 77 20 0 5 29 112 21 70 0 0 .276 .335 .231 Grass Texas Rangers 147 588 79 162 32 0 25 90 269 50 120 1 0 .334 .457 .276 Turf Texas Rangers 14 59 1 8 2 0 0 2 10 1 12 0 0 .148 .169 .136 Day Texas Rangers 52 208 27 56 10 0 9 30 93 12 44 0 0 .308 .447 .269 Night Texas Rangers 109 439 53 114 24 0 16 62 186 39 88 1 0 .322 .424 .260 Mar and Apr Texas Rangers 24 98 13 26 7 0 4 13 45 14 18 1 0 .357 .459 .265 May Texas Rangers 25 105 15 32 6 0 5 16 53 6 30 0 0 .342 .505 .305 June Texas Rangers 27 108 15 31 5 0 6 19 54 10 20 0 0 .353 .500 .287 July Texas Rangers 27 114 17 28 4 0 4 14 44 9 25 0 0 .306 .386 .246 Aug Texas Rangers 29 115 11 30 3 0 4 16 45 4 15 0 0 .283 .391 .261 Sept and Oct Texas Rangers 29 107 9 23 9 0 2 14 38 8 24 0 0 .269 .355 .215 Before All-Star Texas Rangers 85 351 47 100 20 0 16 57 168 32 75 1 0 .346 .479 .285 After All-Star Texas Rangers 76 296 33 70 14 0 9 35 111 19 57 0 0 .283 .375 .236 Crede: Entire Season TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG vs Left-handed Pitcher Chicago White Sox 49 83 12 23 4 0 4 13 39 8 9 0 1 .344 .470 .277 vs Right-handed Pitcher Chicago White Sox 119 349 42 86 17 0 18 49 157 17 57 1 0 .292 .450 .246 Home Chicago White Sox 65 213 23 50 8 0 12 32 94 12 29 1 0 .281 .441 .235 Away Chicago White Sox 64 219 31 59 13 0 10 30 102 13 37 0 1 .324 .466 .269 Grass Chicago White Sox 116 389 50 98 18 0 22 58 182 23 57 1 0 .302 .468 .252 Turf Chicago White Sox 13 43 4 11 3 0 0 4 14 2 9 0 1 .306 .326 .256 Day Chicago White Sox 47 151 14 31 6 0 8 20 61 9 19 1 1 .255 .404 .205 Night Chicago White Sox 82 281 40 78 15 0 14 42 135 16 47 0 0 .329 .480 .278 Mar and Apr Chicago White Sox 24 79 12 24 6 0 2 9 36 5 9 0 0 .368 .456 .304 May Chicago White Sox 26 84 8 13 2 0 3 9 24 5 17 0 1 .211 .286 .155 June Chicago White Sox 25 80 11 22 3 0 6 17 43 5 10 1 0 .333 .538 .275 July Chicago White Sox 20 69 10 21 5 0 4 12 38 4 11 0 0 .342 .551 .304 Aug Chicago White Sox 16 58 2 6 1 0 1 1 10 2 10 0 0 .148 .172 .103 Sept and Oct Chicago White Sox 18 62 11 23 4 0 6 14 45 4 9 0 0 .409 .726 .371 Before All-Star Chicago White Sox 80 260 32 63 12 0 12 37 111 16 40 1 1 .300 .427 .242 After All-Star Chicago White Sox 49 172 22 46 9 0 10 25 85 9 26 0 0 .308 .494 .267

1)Someone bring up the Zone Ratings and all that good stuff to measure up the defense. 2)Crede on the road this past year, .269. Blalock .231. Blalock only does good at home, just like Soriano and most of that Texas squad. Just like Soriano, take Blalock out of Texas and you got an overrated player.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 06:20 PM) No problem night. Each has played 3 full seasons now. Blalock has more RBI's, more HR's, more doubles, more walks, and more runs scored. Yes, look at those numbers considering Blalock has batted 3rd/4th in each of those 3 seasons while Joe has been put in the #9 slot. Just some info on baseball, in the #9 slot, you're less likely to get more RBI's than the guy in the 3-4-5 spots. In fact, has there ever been a #9 hitter who has had more RBI's than a #3-4-5?? Also, Blalock's protection is Texieria and Soriano. Crede's protection is Podsednik and Uribe.

Loria tried to build on their World Series and fans didn't show up. He has no choice but to try to move.

I'll take that out of our 5th pitcher.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 06:10 PM) I don't like this trade at all. We don't need to totally overhaul the team. Wilkerson sucks. Dude hit 32 hr's in 04 but only 11 last year. Blalock would be an upgrade offensively over Crede, but a downgrade defensively. A major prospect? Jesus! Why do we have to rape our farm system? I think in this case, the prospect would be coming to us. I don't see this deal happening honestly.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 06:05 PM) Hank Blalock also has a higher average, higher on base percentage, double the walks, 30 more RBI, more hits, more AB's, more doubles, more home runs, more runs, and more total bases. Should I go on? Could you please bring up a comparison of what Blalock did on the road with what Crede did on the road? Thanks. Horrid deal if Blalock/Crede are involved. Crede on a herniated disc is better than Blalock. I'm not willing to compromise our defense for Blalock.

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 06:03 PM) I congrats the Sox brass on another good move Thank you.

QUOTE(ThomeOnTheRange @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 05:16 PM) Give me a break. "Sure I'll stay on the phone if a white man is paying for the phone call. I've never had one pay for a phone call." Yeah he may be awesome and he has a white wife, but what he was saying was just uncalled for. So if you want to rip on me for saying this, than do so, but this guy seriously has racist issues. Love him or hate him, but listen to the interview than make your comments. I have and I still don't find anything racist about it.

QUOTE(BurlyMan56 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) I personally would love to see Baj take Viz's spot in the pen. I think a lefty reliever has to be included in any deal if they trade Garland. Baj's stuff doesn't seem to translate into major league stuff.