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QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 03:30 PM) I really don't think the Borchard to Young comparison is as far off as you make it out to be. In case you don't remember, Borchard was our number one rated prospect for a long time, and was considered a Can't Miss type of guy. Yep. It's not that far off. Young isn't even considered our best prospect. He's viewed as a guy with some of the most potential in the organization, but it's not even a sure thing he's going to reach it.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:52 PM) That's fair. But it's f***tarded the argument that is trying to be presented that Buehrle's not an ace. If Buehrle's not an ace, no pitcher in baseball is an ace. He's not. True aces include, Peavy, Santana, Mulder, Hudson, Halladay, Oswalt, Clemens, Schmidt(when healthy), Johnson(when healthy), Schilling(when healthy), Garland, Livan Hernandez, Colon, Harden. Those guys are aces. They're all great pitchers and have no problems taking out elite teams. It's all the same for them. For Buehrle it's not. QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) BUT HE LOST TO THE RED SOX AND THE YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!! And A's 3 times IIRC, and Minny. QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) I know you're just copying what nite's saying, but I don't know why or what's his reasoning to bring the Yankees into this. The last times Buehrle saw the Yanks was in April of 2004. He split those games FWIW. And he got smacked around in one of those games giving up something like 7 or 8 runs in the first 2 innings.

QUOTE(SpringfieldFan @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) OK let's hear it folks. What odds would you lay that the Sox get him. For or against the trade, what do you think? I say the odds are 60-40 the KW lands him. SFF Odds 1-100000. Not good at all IMHO. I'm all for the trade though. I want it to happen, but I know I'm getting my hopes up for nothing.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 02:29 PM) I think those guys aren't on the 40 man so they don't have to clear... is that right guys?? Rogo is. Basically that was my idea though. Give them Young, PTBNL and a lower tier prospect and after the season, give them Rogo.

I think he was telling the truth. I don't think he'll be traded though.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...t=.jsp&c_id=cin http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/cont...813griffey.html

QUOTE(SnB @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 12:47 PM) he's had a bad month and a half, period, no matter who he's played. But i'ms ure you'll say the same thing in like 5 other threads today too No I'll be discussing how Jon Garland has become the real ace of this team. Not being defeated by elite teams and finally has found out how to deal with pressure situations. Garland > Buehrle. I don't care who flames me either.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 12:43 PM) FWIW, the Score's George Offman is reporting that Griffey Jr. cleared waivers. I doubt we get him. I want him here more than anyone, but Kenny won't give me Christmas in August.

QUOTE(GBlum27 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 12:41 PM) Well done. You gotta give JA some credit though, the man knows defense and he drafts decently to solidly. I'll give him credit for the Azumah extension way back when and for his later round selections but he's atrocious in the first round minus Tommie Harris.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 04:08 AM) That kid is probably a legend among his classmates. A Legend for f***ing up a good thing by my watch. I'd punk the kid for doing something that stupid.

QUOTE(GBlum27 @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 12:38 PM) 3 examples...go Quasim Mitchell Bryan Robinson R.W. McQuarters

I'll go with Hutch. He was pretty decent last year with no run game and a horrible O-Line. Imagine what he could do with a good running game and O-Line and a nice WR.

Bears always win meaningless games at the end for "pride." This year will be no different. Even if they did have the worst record, they'd probably do a #1 for the #12 & a 3rd rounder. Then they'll say they could get a decent QB at that position(a bum like Cade McNown) and fill another whole(another Mike Haynes type). That's the Bears MO. I told people too that they should've either drafted Suggs or Leftwich(my preference) and they f'd that up. Just like they f'd up their chances for Culpepper. Why? Because the Bears front office has turned into a laughingstock in the league. If you're a mediocre to bad player, you'll probably get an extension from Angelo. It was funny watching Ditka saying that the Bears need to cut their losses because Quasim Mitchell can't block the left side at all. And then he went on to saying, "If I were the coach, he wouldn't be on this team, that's for sure." He ripped him more, but I just remember those two parts in particular.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) The more I think about it, the more I would be angry if they dealt Chris Young in a package. Now Gio would be another story. I'd give up Gio and a mid tier prospect or two. You have to give up something to get something. Young won't be contributing to this team. Griffey would. Not everyone is the Pittsburgh Pirates. They won't take complete crap in return for a very nice player.

I just got finished reading the thread. I agree. Having a career year and doing it against teams in low pressure situations.

Lucky. But we haven't had a World Series Ring here for a while. I don't give a damn about how you get it done, just make sure you get it done.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 11:02 PM) Ownt. I'd say give up since there's no convincing, but I don't see how he can still question MB being an ace after all these years, and the stats you posted help show how dumb his argument is. The bashers always only look at the negative stuff. Here's some stuff from this year. May 13th vs Baltimore. W - 8 IP , 3 ER, against the hottest team in the bigs at the time, and easily the best offensive team at the time. One of the 100 'must wins' that have been claimed this season to 'see how we would fair in the playoffs' May 18th vs Texas, W - 7.1 IP, 0 ER, another great offensive team. May 24th @ Anaheim, ND, 9 IP, 1 ER, Anaheim obviously good offensively, and impressive to do it at a West Coast team. May 30th vs Anaheim, ND, 8.1 IP, 3 ER, not bad for them seeing you for your last start. This was the famous Jeff Brantley/Memorial Day game. June 11th @ San Diego, W, 7.2 IP, 0 ER, maybe not the best offensive team, but they were the hottest in the NL at the time, and good again to do it at their ball park. What more can you ask for? I'd say the All Star Game is a preaty big game as well, must be doing well to start that too. Other honorable mentions are complete shutdowns of the offenses of Cleveland (even after facing them so much), Seattle, Dodgers, and KC, and another one at Baltimore that was ended early, but I didn't include them since they wouldn't be seen as big games since the offenses aren't top tier (Cleveland and Seattle's aren't too shabby though). Sure, there are bad games, just like other pitchers, including aces. Roger Clemens is rare, this stuff happens, and he just seems to be going through a little iffy stretch lately. I don't care, think what you think, I still trust MB, and it's nice to have Garland and Freddy to back him up just in case. All going to the playoffs, right??

It's so sad. Plus he was getting A's too. I wouldn't have never told. I would've rode it out. Think of all the recommendations she could've wrote for high school's and stuff.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 10:07 PM) Well that is some bulls***. The Bears will go 1-15 without Rex and Thomas Jones will lead the team in receptions again. f***ing injury bug hates the damn Bears. Mush better step up HUGE if we want a shot at the playoffs and whoever the f*** starts better be a billiuon times better than what we had last year. f***ing b****! Welcome to Chicago Matt Leinart! That would mean the Bears have the worst record and have a chance at Leinart. That's not the case. Bears always try to win worthless games at the end and always end up f'n up their draft position because of it.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:57 PM) RT is a HUGE position for them. If Jacob Rogers can step up, they'll be much better on offense. Kind of like the Bears with Fred Miller really. Yep. As far as Thomas Jones. He's a good back, but the knock is he always gets injured and he isn't a power runner. He's more of a scheme guy. He fit very well in Shea's offense. Like I said before. I think Shea got too much blame last year. Benson is needed for the power running Turner wants.

QUOTE(Ozzie Montana @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 10:06 PM) RIP EMM!!! John Garland goes for win 17. Best of luck. ^What he said.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 10:02 PM) So please why have you suddenly went off at buehrle? I felt this way for some time. I was ready to go off on him the last time he faced Boston, then after he faced KC. Tonight was just the last straw since so many people call him an ace. Fact is he isn't. He's a nice #2 if anything. He's not a true ace. I'm not saying the guy sucks, but he is overrated.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) Yep, we've actually got a good version of Jones to root for (and I ain't talkin bout Jerry). Haha, yep. I love Julius. I honestly thought he would be a bust considering the mediocre career he had at ND. And I think Drew Bledsoe will make the Bears pissed that they passed on him a couple of years back. They have nice WR's and a revamped line. Rivera is an anchor on the O-Line. Their defense should be better. 10-6 season IMO.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:47 PM) agaist the best f***ing teams in the league they are. I'd rate the Cards, Yanks & Red Sox the best teams offensively over the past couple of years. Out of those teams, the teams he actually has played, he has a high 3 ERA against. Oakland he has a high ERA against as well. All the good teams he simply cannot beat. It's becoming even more viewable to see this year. Any elite team and chances are he won't beat them.

QUOTE(TheHammer @ Aug 12, 2005 -> 09:49 PM) Overreactors. For all anyone knows he is out 3 months and will only miss half the season. THe defense looks great and so does the pass pro, which is GREAT because Hutchinson is very solid if he has time to throw. 3 Months best case scenario. Best case scenario never works out for the Bears. Plus they wouldn't want to rush him with his injury problems. We're talking at least 4 months. By then, the Bears won't play him towards the end of the season. Probably because someone will be leading them farther than Grossman ever took them or they'll suck so much that Orton will be getting his PT. I always got my Dallas Cowboys. Anyone want to jump on the bandwagon??