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No, but I want it to. As far as your idea Dam8610, I heard I think on ESPN that it wouldn't be able to happen because a PTBNL can't be a part of the 40 man roster. This team needs him, but it won't happen.

Already a thread on this, but I disagree on him knowing his stuff. Lots of times he pulled stuff out of his ass. He came across as just a casual fan. He'd say a lot of stuff out of his ass without looking up stats.

QUOTE(marsh @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:41 PM) I just got back from a bar watching the game. I'm not surprised that we lost given the lineup tonite, but two things that bothered me. One, the shoddy ass camera work that led me to believe konerko hit a two run homerun. Two, crede should have knocked mauer into next week on the play at home. He had zero chance to slide around him. He should have put his chin down and went right thru him. Safe or out a message should have been sent right there. 2 Herniated Discs. I'd like to see you with 2 herniated discs and plow over my nephew and you could tell me if it won't give you a one way ticket to the hospital.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) We have got to lead the majors in fewest guys thrown out at home. Our outfielders have been simply awful at throwing guys out at home, and there's been plenty of plays where a good throw would have got the runner. What are you talking about?? According to Hawk, we have one of the best defensive OF's in the leagueeee. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:55 PM) The bottom line is if you have a lineup with Timo Perez leading off, you're not going to score many runs. As aggressive as KW has been over his tenure, he really overestimated "chemistry" this season, and really is sitting on a team that if they make the playoffs will more than likely get ousted very quickly. The offense is pathetic. Think about it. If the pitching wasn't spectacular in NY they would have been swept. I agree strongly. I see a 1 and done for this team. Let's just hope we can make it there crawling.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:32 PM) Yeah, you also agreed with a troll but that's cool too. My stance on Rowand defensively is well documented, the guy will win a GG sometime in the next 3 years, I've watched every game this year plus last year and a lot of them in person. He gets amazing jumps on the ball and has above average closing speed. I don't want to see him diving all over the place in the outfield because a lot of the time it means you got a s*** jump or totally misjudged a ball. Rowand gets to a lot of balls and makes them look easy that others would be diving for. He also has an above average arm but with average to below average accuracy, which is really something he has to work on. I don't slurp Sox players simply because they play for the Sox, hell I don't even like that many players on the team at this point in time. I have seen Rowand play a lot of CF over the past two seasons along with a little RF last year, he's made amazing strides and is only going to get better. I don't doubt that he can be one, but he has some way to still go. He needs to get a more accurate arm and it wouldn't hurt if his arm was a little stronger.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) Rowand needs to throw better in order to win a Gold Glove. If you look at guys like Hunter and Edmonds in CF, they have incredibly accurate arms in the outfield. Rowand's arm has been disappointing this season. Very true.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) I still say the play that showed how this team played tonight happened earlier. Crede has a close play at the plate, he should of plowed over the catcher. That would of energized our team more than anything. Not only does it show the twins we can play hard, but it shows that we are the new badass on the block. But crede slows down as he gets to the plate, then tries some around move and is tagged out by 3 feet. If he plowed over Mauer its a closer play and gives us a chance to score. That to me, was a big tell in this game. Crede has 2 herniated discs. He's still doing better than Blum. He has no business trying to plow over anybody. I'm not excusing his piss poor hitting, but would you rather see Blum or Crede at 3b? I say Crede.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:44 PM) Timo. Is. Trash. PK made a huge baserunning mistake. Conteras wasn't good. Just ugly Contreras was good enough to win with a halfway decent offense. His career ERA is somewhere between 4 and 5. You should expect that type of performance from Count. Plus the fact that Dye could've saved a run by gunning down a guy at home with a decent throw he's capable of, Count pitched pretty good today.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) I'm a diehard Sox fan, but I'm also a baseball "expert". I'll say this (and I'm sure I'll be bashed): I have absolutely no clue how the Sox are 12 games up on the Indians, and 15 on the Twins. It's one of the most pleasant surprises I've ever had in sports, because this is not a great Sox team we're talking about. I 2nd that. Prepare for the flamers to come out.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:17 PM) HA! Ha what? I didn't say I wanted A-Row out of the lineup or out of CF. He's very solid in the OF, but he is not a gold glover IMHO. He's made nice plays for 3 games against the Yanks. He doesn't do that type of stuff every game which seperates good defensive OF's from GG'ers.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:14 PM) KGJ can't get here any sooner. Pitiful tonight. What are you talking about? We're the first place team in the league, blah blah blah, etc.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:15 PM) Hey man im with you but you just overloaded my brain thinking about that one. I am also not denying this team is playing like s*** since I have been saying it even when they do win. I see "I love this f***ing team" being posted so damn much and I don't see why. They do need to get their s*** straight. I agree strongly.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) Oh god, please this is horrible. Lets take it one game at a time. How is it horrible? Did that not happen? It's horrible how so many people are blinded by the fast start and won't just admit s*** is going wrong with this team.

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) If I'm making out tomorrow's lineup, this is what it looks like: Rowand CF Iguchi 2B Everett DH Konerko 1B Dye RF AJ C Anderson LF Crede 3B Uribe SS Unfortunately I think I saw that Timo has good numbers against Radke. :headshake I'd go with something similar.

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) I'll take em. SHould be a fun pitching match up to watch. How is it fun when you know our offense can't even score runs on Kyle Loshe??

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:02 PM) Another crappy pitcher spotted a fastball on the outside corner, while hitter after hitter tried to park pitch after pitch into the stands. To beat this club, just spot a fastball on the outside corner and let the mopes do all the work for you. Radke will 3 hit us tomorrow night and Santana will 4 hit us on Wednesday with this lineup. Not even. Anything on the outside corner would have us beat, especially a breaking pitch. QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:03 PM) It's not just the injuries that scare me. I don't think our talent level on offense is good enough to win the World Series. The scary thing now is that Everett and PK are on fire. Just imagine what it will be like when the middle of the order is struggling. That scares me too. Our offense even when clicking isn't good enough unless our pitching is clicking too.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 09:00 PM) I said this last night, and I'll repeat it again: KW needs to get an answer from the Reds about whether or not they'll ever trade Griffey Jr. during the season, no matter who's involved in the trade. If they say no, then he needs to move on to someone different. This team is not good enough to consistently win at home. I would've just said f it and taken the waiver on him because that may have been the only way we got him. Now that won't happen, we have injuries, pitching isn't nearly as good as what it was, hitting flat out sucks and some posters think everything is just fine and dandy.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) Hawk can be wrong though. Remember in 2003 after the Sox made the Robby Alomar and Everett trades? Hawk claimed that there was going to be a deal made that was even bigger than those combined. Was that supposed to be Schoenweis? I doubt it. He's probably right about this though. Simply downplaying Griffey by saying "where would he play?" is flat out stupid and following with a statement that talks about how Pods makes us one of the best if not best defensive OF is just dumber than something Mariotti has ever wrote. Griffey on one leg is better than Pods in LF.

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 08:38 PM) Give us a better option that Tadahito at lead off. He have nobody with a real good OBP now. May as well put someone there who can swing that bat and have good ABs. I'm not saying there are better options, but I'm not expecting good results out of him in that role. I'd think Rowand would have more success there. And it seems our boppers are all going to swing for the fences.

f*** it, I'd take Corey Patterson right now. He'd probably be one of our best hitters. Then again, Greg Walker would get in his ear.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 08:35 PM) Ozzie said today that Iguchi would leadoff. I don't know how smart that is. That's taking his game a complete 180. He went from #3 slot power hitter in Japan last year to leadoff hitter who's just supposed to get on. Plus while he's good at moving runners over, I don't think he's that great at getting on base for other guys.

QUOTE(Brian @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) My line up tomorrow. Iguchi 2B Uribe SS Everett LF Konerko 1B Dye DH Rowand CF AJ C Anderson RF Crede 3B Mix and match Anderson, Dye, and Everett for OF or DH. It'll never happen. Iguchi really isn't a leadoff hitter at all. I think if Iguchi plays, you'll see Ozuna in the lineup to bat leadoff for him unless Timo's in the lineup.

Make the cars look better and maybe I'll take a look at them.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 08:20 PM) I would love nothing more than for Timo to shut me up here. Keep yappin, cas he didn't shut you up.

Too bad we couldn't do it.