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QUOTE (CWSOX45 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:02 PM) Relax. If he doesn't get anything done by 4 PM, he still has the entire month of August to get something done. Trust me, nearly every player in the Major Leagues is put through trade waivers, so he'll have plenty of opportunities to try and strike a deal. Yes, but other teams will now know the names and attempt to block. It happens and we all know that.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:24 PM) Heyman reporting that the Nats asked for Matt Garza for Dunn, lmao. LMFAO!!!!!

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:01 PM) If the Rays are linked to all these guys were trying to trade for. How about facilitating a three team deal that would net us Carlos Pena? For the Sox, they prefer a guy who can play another position other than 1B and DH. For Tampa, they want to add to their lineup which includes Pena.

Again, I'd love Manny because he would be motivated again. He probably didn't need to go on the DL, but the Dodgers overall are not playing good playoff ball. Manny likes Ozzie, I'm sure likes the city, will be playing for a contract and the playoffs. Didn't Manny want to come here after the '05 season but our front office say no? I remember reading that somewhere.

I'd love to add Manny actually. I think he would be revived her playing in Chicago with Ozzie, in a smaller ballpark and the ability to DH.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:06 AM) i agree with you, i hate these coop will fix him posts I hate that you won't name the "mystery bat" either. So name him. Until then... COOP WILL FIX HIM! YES HE DID! HOPE! A FIX YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:23 AM) THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE! IF YOU WANNA CROWN THEIR [bEEP]es THEN CROWN'EM!

I like the wave. It gets the children excited and the fans somewhat involved. Now if it was the playoffs, I could understand being mad. The regular season? Ha.

Is Nick Johnson out for the career? Seriously, what happened to him? I know he got injured, but I thought he signed a multi year deal.

I honestly want to keep Jackson.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 07:17 PM) Maybe so but he may be a filler that could be a 4 or a 5 in the NL Wishful thinking.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 06:26 PM) When are people going to realize that a certain individual in the Sox organization is causing players to not want to play here? Oz? Serious question. Who?

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:40 PM) I'd bleep myself if we got Kemp. How is he doing this year? Not great. He's doing better as of late, but his owner questioned his desire which is never good.

The Sausage Beater, Mr Randall Simon!

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:31 PM) True, but it's not unheard of. Kenny did this a few years ago with the Rangers (McCarthy for Danks). Yeah, but didn't we give up someone else to make it "even"? I gotta look it up. But still, those types of trades happen very rarely.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:29 PM) The Padres are contending and A-Gon is under control for another year. He's not coming. Votto would be a surprise, but aren't the Reds contending as well? Justin Morneau me! Frank Thomas out of retirement? David Ortiz? Kevin Youkilis? Billy Butler? Manny Ramirez?

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:04 PM) Or pick up the option for next season that Berkman may require to waive his NTC. That too.

My guess would also be A-Gon. Or maybe it's not even a trade. Maybe he's trying to revive Ken Griffey Jr. Watch him pull off a trade for Joey Votto though. That would be amazing.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:14 PM) Agreed with all of this. Jackson is barely a major league starter, and he's owed ~$10M. If Kenny was looking to move Hudson before he was exposed as over-hyped, he could've dealt him for another prospect. Taking on that salary for a below-average pitcher when the Sox already have something like $70M committed to next season and several holes to fill makes little sense to me. Usually teams don't trade top prospects for top prospects for the reason you mentioned. The team receiving the overhyped prospect would think to themselves, "Why do they want to trade us their top pitching prospect for one of our guys?" Then they'll proceed not to do the deal because they'll think possible injury, lack of potential, or lack of major league potential.

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 05:02 PM) Yes trading a SP who's under team control for 6 more years for a SP who's marginally better, cost 10x more, and is only under team control for another year; qualifies as a sh**ty move. More so than the Swisher trades. In the 1st Swisher trade no prospect came close to Hudson's value now(losing Sweeney sucked but we didn't completely overpay); the 2nd trade, we did get screwed return-wise, but at least we were dumping Swisher's increasing salary that helped us re-sign Floyd, trade for Peavy, and acquire Rios. In this trade we took on ~$10M in salary for a minimal upgrade. And please don't give me the "he's young" talk, he's under team control for another year and guess who is agent is....Boras. Don't talk about how someone is a great young project when they're paid like a proven veteran. Sweeney had arguably as much if not more value than Hudson did. Hudson was an unknown up until last year. The 2nd Swisher trade, we received absolute garbage. Betemit sucked it up so bad, that despite Ozzie trying to force him to play at least halfway decent, he couldn't. Even Ozzie mentioned it. Marquez is hot trash and Nunez ain't so much better. I'm also pretty sure Floyd would've been resigned regardless. Rios was considered a dumb move by everyone when it actually happened except for like 5 people on this board. Peavy was no sure thing. Also, hindsight is a dangerous thing. Who's to say KW wouldn't have had a different plan to get us some players? KW usually has a Plan Z for things. As far as upgrade, you haven't seen him pitch with us. We do not know how he's going to perform. You can say he's sucked this year, but that's why he was available to us. He also was pretty good the previous two years in the AL against good hitting ballclubs. You also don't know if Hudson will ever figure it out. He can easily become another Brandon McCarthy.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:42 PM) Not according to what I've read, which is the astros got crap and yanks are just absorbing salary Looks like kenny doesnt want Fat Elvis Or KW isn't willing to take Berkman's contract at his production. I wouldn't either as he hasn't been fantastic for awhile.

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:40 PM) This is a terrible trade for the White Sox, maybe one of Kenny's worst. I have all the faith in KW and there have been numerous times where we've all been proven wrong and I pray this is one of those times. But on face value we traded our best pitching prospect, who was filling in nicely as the #5 but had the ceiling of mid-rotation, who was under team control cheap for 5+ years for a mid-rotation type who's under control for one more year after 2010 and who's contract will balloon to $8.35 M next year. Not to mention we also kicked in another decent(LHSP? I thought we were low on those) prospect in Holmberg. Nothing against Jackson, he's got potential, but you don't trade Hudson for him. The only way to rectify this is if we make an even swap of EJ for Dunn. No other prospects included; i f**king mean it not even a Josh Kroeger type. No Viciedo. No Flowers. No Morel. Just EJ for Dunn. That way it works out as Hudson/Holmberg for Dunn. But even then were left with a hole in the back of the rotation Seriously guys? This is the worst trade KW has ever made? This has been a terrible deadline? I've seen several people mention it so far. Um, this guy has way better stuff than Hudson does, is still relatively young, has experience pitching in the AL Central, has experience being in a pennant race, and is under control for another year for decent money. Now I know what people mean when they say the Sox have overvalued Hudson. The way I think of him is the way people thought of Jeff Bajanaru.

I haven't read everything and probably won't because I don't have that type of time. In the end though, I'm very happy if we keep Jackson. As a 4th or 5th starter, he can definitely get us to the playoffs. In the playoffs, he can be an electric arm out of the pen. I think if he can get with a good pitching coach, he's a better player for it. I won't be too upset if he isn't flipped for Dunn or anyone else.

Honestly, Uribe wouldn't be bad. He can show Dayan how to be good at defense while still being fat.

QUOTE (BFirebird @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 03:15 PM) We seem to trade an awful lot of pitching. Which I guess makes sense considering that is what most teams want in return, but geez...I would think we are going to get smoked on one of these deals with pitching some day. Well, the good thing, for the most part is that we have starting pitching in their prime. We don't have much to worry about with it now. In the future though, we should probably hang on to Sale, and draft high ceiling pitching prospects. I want to keep Hudson, I really do, but Dunn's out there and I think he would help us much more.