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May as well leave it as a carrot so his destiny doesn't seem predetermined in camp. If he looks that good, would solve a lot of the roster crunch in high-a/a

The thing that would be so nice about a draft pick in the top 5 is being able to go after a guy like Capela with the space, a young, nice center that can spell our smaller lineups when we face teams with real centers. Not a game changing signing, but would make us a better team with a young core to grow together for a while and been on a winning team.

Man if even a 2nd round pick is now considered too much to lose the players just got absolutely rolled in the last CBA. THat was the one thing they cared about.

It would be interesting to hear what it really means for our 15-30 to be weak (and I don't disagree with this, compared to pads/braves/etc). I actually think that group has a good chance to have some MLB productivity compared to others. I also don't know if i have a list, but that 15-30 will contain players such as Cordell, Tilson, Fisher, Call, Zevala, Clarkin, Burdi, Burr, Thiera. What sticks out: they are old and nearer their ceilings. And to me the difference is the other 15-30s have players more like Luis Curbelo and Adolfo that are young and raw but expected to ascend and be the next top 10. "Deeper". The white sox have one huge glut of age groups moving in at once. So that's my interpretation would like to hear others.

The thing is with this core I can legit see a group as good as the Raptors in a year or two. But if they can get in that top 5 and maintain development, I see the seams of a championship team (assuming development). The thing with Mirotic is he is demanding a trade. He's cool now, but he has an end in sight. What if we remove that? what happens when team hits skids? Justin Holliday should net a 2nd, RoLo can hopefully be used to clear space next year, and Mirotic hopefully gets us a 1st. It pushes Felicio to bigger minutes and removes our most potent lineup of Markannen and Mirotic at 4 and 5. I still think it's worth it to try.

Gavin sheets is huuuuge https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/953323853031333890 (is he 2nd from left?)

He's seen so little baseball of the level he should be. I'm hoping for a quick take-off, but I'm nervous he's going to struggle right away and get frustrated

Looks like a good turnout but I don't really recall what this looks like year to year. Mostly just remember collins and Moncada last year.

I forgot Basabe played in winter league. Any chance you guys have heard anything after a BA writer said he had knee surgery?

Frankly I think our drafting should be providing a better 15-30, so lets hope this year we see jumps from players from latam and the past two drafts, and we dont' need to rely on only filling up our farm via trade.

DAMN Lavine has 18-5-5 in 20 MINUtES

I think to get a top 5 pick we’ll need to sell off Lopez, Holliday and Niko.

When a core wins 3 World Series you let them get one last shot, in my opinion. If they get Cain it’s at least a squint and you can see situation

I think we’ll get a first, but there may be crazy protections on it. If we trade with the jazz and it’s top 20 protected, you may not see that for years, and then depends on what it turns into.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 01:24 PM) And it is much harder when you aren't signing anyone from the top of classes, but more like in the 25-30 range on most years. But is this Paddy’s strategy or Hahn’s?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 12:32 PM) I honestly can't believe someone like the Yankees didn't out bid this. Yanks did reportedly offer Frazier

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 14, 2018 -> 11:16 AM) He has been around for 6 years. I once read where the average DR prospect takes at least 7 years to develop, so at the very least, he isn't ahead of the curve, To be fair he took over an operation that was probably as low as you can go. I thin he has a couple more years at least before you can say he failed though. Some of these guys have to develop. But it is hard to pick out a 15 or 16 year old and say future star major leaguer. It's hard in any sport. I would imagine basketball would be the easiest. Lebron is a no brainer, but take these guys when they are sophomores and juniors in high school and project them in one of the hardest if not the hardest sport to project, is something where everyone fails. If the Sox didn't trade for Shields and all things remained the same, this thread probably does not exist. I do now at one of the seminars I was at during Soxfest last year, they were really projecting a Lat Am breakout in 2017. I don't think it happened to the scale they were hoping, maybe this year, but their development staff seemed pretty confident their LatAm signings would soon become household names to White Sox fans. When Paddy was hired I think most said “it will be 10 years before we really see impact” and I think reality is the guy also was never given a “super class” of 15+ guys that other orgs had. Harder when your success rate depends on hitting on 33% of your million dollar signings instead of 10%.

Also this is nit picky but it’s been more realistically 6 years for paddy, with our 2013 classes onward being a fair judgment.

I don’t disagree with any of that. I don’t see anyone but Perez and solarzano in A, maybe they push up nunez mid season. I guess Reyes could. Zangari is probably in GF. Forgetting our 8th rounder but he’s probably AZL again. Don’t remember a kanny 1b ahead of him.

I continue to be nervous about the lack of impact from last am compared to other orgs, but I’m honestly still in wait and see mode: - he who shall not be named was one of the slam dunk signings recently, not paddy’s fault he was traded. - The 2016 class has started off the most promising in terms of production than any I remember - most importantly, I think we underrate how much foundation needed to be built up. Some literally, like the DR facility, but rangers and Yankees and others are utilizing relationships decades in the making with people that funnel players their way. Paddy literally had to start from scratch, convince people that the Sox were now different, and after two or so classes with that in place, we now are sitting a few classes off. I have hopes for Lenyn Sosa and Anthony Coronado who both made it stateside at 17 and performed relatively well. The 14 and 15 classes, HWMNBN and Adolfo aside, have been disappointing SO far. Still could do something. But we’ve really struggled to find up the middle talent.

Passan sums up well: https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/952339574725935104

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 13, 2018 -> 06:26 PM) To the Astros, what they gave up were largely spare parts....they had what they traded covered. But there still was some talent in what they gave up. Musgrove can be a good 4 and a very good 5 on a contending team. That has value. And the Pirates obviously wanted ML ready players, so the ceiling won't be as high as if you trade for A ball players. The last paragraph is what is baffling to me. Pitching is proving expensive for a team like the pirates. But why target Moran? I would rather have the verlander trade honestly. Much rather Perez than Musgrove.

I would love to poll what people thought Cole would get from Astros earlier in week to now, and hear these “actually trading a young cost controlled pitcher on a two year contract in an environment of expensive 30+ year old free agents that no one wants to give more than 3 years to, getting a backend starter and corner infielder is actually a great return!” Especially when the pirates held him at deadline and last offseason when they almost certainly get a haul.

That would mean Rodon would have never had a single good year in his career, unlike Cole who had 3 very good years. Musgrove is a guy you trade for when you just want a team around 80 wins so you can posture as competitive.

If we traded Rodon for Musgrove and Moran I’d say we completely wasted an asset.